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Old 01-12-08, 06:04 PM
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cheap and bombproof tubular wheels?

I've asked something similar before but no conclusion was reached. I am looking for someone to build a bomb-proof yet cheap tubular wheelset. It does not have to be aero (box section rims), it does not have to be light (any reliable hubs, 32 or 36 spokes) but it has to be sturdy and true. I was thinking mavic classic rims, tri-cross lacing, 105 hubs. I figure it should be possible to get these for about usd250, work included? I need two pairs, one for road and one for cx.
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Mavic Reflex 32h 3X laced to Ultegra hubs with DB 14/14 DT spokes Modest cost and durable.
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Originally Posted by GeraldChan View Post
Mavic Reflex 32h 3X laced to Ultegra hubs with DB 14/14 DT spokes Modest cost and durable.
More or less along these lines, but cheaper. The pricing rundown is as follows - $110 for a pair of hubs, $150 for the rims, another $20 for the spokes - after the wheelbuilders time is added, we are easily talking $350. It's possible to save 40 bucks per wheelset by going with 105 hubs, but it's still above the intended price mark.


PS. My LBS said "we don't do 3X lacing", so I guess I need to mail-order the whole wheelset, adding shipping to the cost.
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Originally Posted by qw1a View Post
I've asked something similar before but no conclusion was reached. I am looking for someone to build a bomb-proof yet cheap tubular wheelset. It does not have to be aero (box section rims), it does not have to be light (any reliable hubs, 32 or 36 spokes) but it has to be sturdy and true. I was thinking mavic classic rims, tri-cross lacing, 105 hubs. I figure it should be possible to get these for about usd250, work included? I need two pairs, one for road and one for cx.
If you can find some Mavic GP-4 rims with the red labels in excellent condition, you could get a pair for $50. They'd be similar in strength to modern Mavic Reflex. For strength, go with 36 holes, three cross, 14/16 spokes if your moderate weight, or straight 14 if you're heavy or hard on things.

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Originally Posted by qw1a View Post
PS. My LBS said "we don't do 3X lacing", so I guess I need to mail-order the whole wheelset, adding shipping to the cost.
Uh, wha? They don't do 3X? That's the most common, and easiest of all the wheels builds (besides radial). What is their problem? I almost always side on the side of the LBS, but that is just dumb.

I feel like I'm missing something. FTW?
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
For strength, go with 36 holes, three cross, 14/16 spokes if your moderate weight, or straight 14 if you're heavy or hard on things.
I am light (5'10" x 143lbs), but a real hardon, so I guess I will go with 14-gauge spokes.

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Uh, wha? They don't do 3X? That's the most common, and easiest of all the wheels builds (besides radial). What is their problem? I almost always side on the side of the LBS, but that is just dumb.
The dude that builds wheels there apparently feels that "it's retro and he is not going to engage in this stupidity".
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Build your own with your hubs of choice and NOS ebay rims.

Oh, and your LBS sucks.
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Originally Posted by marqueemoon View Post
Build your own with your hubs of choice and NOS ebay rims.
Buying a truing stand and the tools to build two sets of wheels is not cost effective. It's is even less cost effective cosidering that I do not have time do it. Online builder it is.

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Oh, and your LBS sucks.
True. They don't service campy stuff either. But I am moving soon...
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Originally Posted by qw1a View Post
Buying a truing stand and the tools to build two sets of wheels is not cost effective. It's is even less cost effective cosidering that I do not have time do it. Online builder it is.


True. They don't service campy stuff either. But I am moving soon...
All of this really makes me appreciate my messy/grumpy local coop with the Campy whiz who taught me how to build wheels.

Anyway... I recommend you learn someday. You'll be amazed at how easy it is once you get the hang of it. It's a skill you'll have for life.
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Originally Posted by qw1a View Post
I am light (5'10" x 143lbs), but a real hardon, so I guess I will go with 14-gauge spokes.


The dude that builds wheels there apparently feels that "it's retro and he is not going to engage in this stupidity".

At 143, you probably don't need 14s regardless, but I'm just going by what my wheel builder told me. At 180, if I was not pretty smooth, my builder would want me on 14s.

Your LBS does not have a wheel guy who understands wheels well, or customers, IMO.

One of ours only builds with 14s, but that's because they bought a threading machine and a gajillion gross of 14 ga blank spokes!!
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The dude that builds wheels there apparently feels that "it's retro and he is not going to engage in this stupidity".
You don't want this jerkoff working on your stuff anyway...
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Originally Posted by qw1a View Post
The dude that builds wheels there apparently feels that "it's retro and he is not going to engage in this stupidity".
It's not up to him, he's not the one riding them. Seems like a tool that is trying to cover up not being able to build wheels properly. Maybe he will make you a full radial rear wheel. I hear that's what the future holds

My mind is blown. There are not enough keys on this keyboard to express how ignorant that mechanic sounds. Is he old enough to work yet?
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Originally Posted by Sirrobinofcoxly View Post
It's not up to him, he's not the one riding them. Seems like a tool that is trying to cover up not being able to build wheels properly. Maybe he will make you a full radial rear wheel. I hear that's what the future holds

My mind is blown. There are not enough keys on this keyboard to express how ignorant that mechanic sounds. Is he old enough to work yet?
There is a distinct possibility they are trying to sell me something like carbon wheels. He's been ranting about how pros use zipps and lightweights for their cx needs and how cool these things are - "that's where the future is, these things are light, stiff and reliable".
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At least he's subtle...


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There is a distinct possibility they are trying to sell me something like carbon wheels. He's been ranting about how pros use zipps and lightweights for their cx needs and how cool these things are - "that's where the future is, these things are light, stiff and reliable".
Indicative of either a very ambitious but misguided commission plan or a really ignorant mechanic who you should ignore. Guys like that give LBSs a bad name.

At your weight you can use 14 DB spokes (depending on whose study you read, they are actually stronger than 14G straight gauge spokes). I used 15 DB when I was at your weight (and my mountain bike wheels have 15 DB).

You can go 28H in the front, the spokes cross at the joint opposite the valve (pulling it together) instead of trying to yank it apart. It might be psychological but I found building 28H wheels easier than 32H. With 28H you can still do 3x. I have yet to build a welded seam 28H so this only applies to plugged and pinned seamed rims.

I would get Ultegra if you can do it, at least at the rear. Unless Shimano has done some upgrading I found 105 hub races to be oval - you'd see a weird wear pattern after a couple thousand miles, the hub would be impossible to adjust, and you have to toss the hubs. Front hubs are so cheap you can get whatever.

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not sure what your version of cheap is.. but i got some FSA rd 488's for under 750... FSA says you can ride cyclocross with them... but i wouldn't know about that...
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