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qw1a 01-20-08 06:21 PM

Actually, after aligning all costs in a spreadsheet I am apparently staying with shimano. Conversion casettes are going to kill any cost advantage.

However, to counter the nay-sayers, I did a simple count of dura-ace vs shimano on "bikes of the pros" on cycling news tech page.

shawneebiker 01-20-08 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 6017829)
You sure you know how to correctly set up your drive train?

Yes, I'm totally anal about my set-up. I've ridden Campy for years.

I would add that I do think the way shifting feels is a personal preference.

I think Campy is clunky. Others think it is smooth.

My opinion is all 3 of my Record equipped bike shifters feel a bit different. Other Campy bikes I've ridden have all felt different and none have ever felt as smooth as any D.A. bike I've been on. D.A. always feels consistent no matter who's bike I've ridden.

Maybe all that PBK Campy stuff I've bought is just junk after all. The prices are soooo cheap!

patentcad 01-20-08 06:33 PM

All this Campy vs. Shimano stuff is a bit silly. Like my pal Rich who owns a local LBS says:

'Once you get over three grand none of it sucks.'

qw1a 01-20-08 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by shawneebiker (Post 6018255)
I think Campy is clunky. Others think it is smooth.

My opinion is all 3 of my Record equipped bike shifters feel a bit different. Other Campy bikes I've ridden have all felt different and none have ever felt as smooth as any D.A. bike I've been on. D.A. always feels consistent no matter who's bike I've ridden.

Maybe all that PBK Campy stuff I've bought is just junk after all. The prices are soooo cheap!

I acually liked that clunky feel, it accentuates every shift. I also liked the fact that you could dump the whole casette at once.

As I said, however, it's too much hassle to switch given that I already have a bunch of shimano wheelsets.

FizzyPop 01-20-08 06:57 PM

Aside from dumping the cassette that I like, I just prefer the feel of Shimano brifters in my hands. Sure, Italian seems cooler than Japanese but at the end of the day its how it all works that matters. To anyone thinking of switching should ride a bike with Campy first, then decide. Just my 2 cents,

patentcad 01-20-08 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by FizzyPop (Post 6018432)
Aside from dumping the cassette that I like, I just prefer the feel of Shimano brifters in my hands. Sure, Italian seems cooler than Japanese but at the end of the day its how it all works that matters. To anyone thinking of switching should ride a bike with Campy first, then decide. Just my 2 cents,

Which is why my cars and motorcycle are made by Honda.

Fred Smedley 01-20-08 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 6018443)
Which is why my cars and motorcycle are made by Honda.

And I like Ducati & Ferrari so what's your point.

qw1a 01-20-08 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 6017827)
Sweet Mother of Merckx this is more upsetting than Fed Chairman Bernanke fiddling while American Equities burn.

Off-topic, but have you seen the bloody inflation numbers? If he is going to lower the rates now, we will pay for it dearly later. Have you seen DXY fall below it's historical lows? In fact, soon neither shimano nor campy will be priced within reason because of the falling dollar and we will have to do with a groupset produced in the US...


Originally Posted by FizzyPop (Post 6018432)
Sure, Italian seems cooler than Japanese but at the end of the day its how it all works that matters.

Given that the pros ride both, apparently both work. It does boil down to personal preference and habits. One can't deny, though, that Shimano has pretty much monopolized the market in the US and we rarely have a choice of a groupset.

Doctor Who 01-20-08 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh (Post 6017541)
Go to any bike race in the US, and compare how many people are running Campy to Shimano.

I think this is due mostly in part to most bikes being spec'd with Shimano from the factory, at least as far as entry to mid-high budget bikes go. When it comes to completely bespoke bikes, it seems to me that most of them are running Campy.

grahny 01-20-08 07:47 PM

If you liked the feel of campy, for whatever reasons, go for it. I recently switched from DA to a Chorus/Record mix and am very happy. I got the group through PBK and ebay, and picked up a mavic campy freehub for my wheels from beyondbikes.com. The group has performed flawlessly from day 1, while previous shimano groups seemed to require constant tweaking (not why I switched though). Just my experience. Both got me where I needed to go just fine.

rufvelo 01-20-08 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Fred Smedley (Post 6018580)
And I like Ducati & Ferrari so what's your point.

Ducati & Ferrari are the coolest, but you still have to get from A to B so also buy a Honda...just in case.

patentcad 01-20-08 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by Fred Smedley (Post 6018580)
And I like Ducati & Ferrari so what's your point.

My cars will run to over 200K miles without major repairs. Plus I can't afford Ducs and Ferraris. Maybe if you're rich enough to buy those brands the thought of pouring thousands into repairs doesn't phase you.

rufvelo 01-20-08 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 6018306)
All this Campy vs. Shimano stuff is a bit silly. Like my pal Rich who owns a local LBS says:

'Once you get over three grand none of it sucks.'

This is absolutely true. Folks complaining about Chorus and Record haven't figured out how to setup yet.

Anyone can make a derailleur work for 4 grand. Real comparisons are in the trickle down groups, 105, Tiagra, Veloce etc. .i.e. mass manufacturing precise shifting for 10 dollars.

patentcad 01-20-08 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by qw1a (Post 6018600)
Off-topic, but have you seen the bloody inflation numbers? If he is going to lower the rates now, we will pay for it dearly later. Have you seen DXY fall below it's historical lows?.

Nobody's going to be talking about inflation as the Dow sinks another 2000 points, the US slides into recession, and drags the emerging market growth down with it. Do you really think Fed policy can halt the slide of the dollar vs. the Euro and other currencies? It's not working so far is it?

I've lost all faith in Fed policy in the financial markets. The latest window dressing 'emegency measures' tax legislation is a riot. That's like pissing on a Mt. St. Helens eruption.

Tequila Joe 01-20-08 08:08 PM

I have both and they both perform flawlessly. They each have thier own personality and advantages/disadvantages.
I must say though, I preder Shimano's shifting philosophy and ergonomics more.

Edonis13 01-20-08 08:20 PM

ide rather go with SRAM instead of campy.

Indolent58 01-20-08 08:28 PM

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...lls-kitten.jpg

BarracksSi 01-20-08 09:32 PM

Yeah... those awful kittens...

Here I go:

Campy sucks!

:D

j/k... ;) I'd like to try both Campy and SRAM myself, though.

LostBoizdown 01-20-08 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 6017981)
Erm...it's been a while since I darkened the door of a world religions class, but I'd rather suspect that the Italians would be the Catholic ones, and the Japanese would tend to be Buddhist. I think your application of the ecclesiastical here is a bit confused.

I'm just sayin'.

Oh, yeah: Go Campy!

Nice attempt at ruining a good thread, not to mention a funny reply in the thread.





Besides, everyone knows that Pcad is afflicted with Pcad Cycling Zen.

RockyMtnMerlin 01-20-08 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 6018306)
All this Campy vs. Shimano stuff is a bit silly. Like my pal Rich who owns a local LBS says:

'Once you get over three grand none of it sucks.'

+2. I have ridden Record for the past five years and Dura Ace for several years before that. My experieince is that they are both great gruppos.

FrankBattle 01-20-08 10:24 PM

You know, maybe the real truth is that Shimano needs MENSA members to set it up, while any schmo can set up a Campy. Sadly (fortunately?), MENSA is exclusive. Many pretend .. these are probably the ones who set up Shimano groups and then cry and moan about how Campy is so superior and so much more intuitive.

I've tried Campy. I do not see the big deal. I barely have to touch my D/A or my Ultegra, for that matter, and they shift ever so smoothly.

Just another POV.

Please carry on ..

qw1a 01-20-08 10:39 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 6018827)
Nobody's going to be talking about inflation as the Dow sinks another 2000 points, the US slides into recession, and drags the emerging market growth down with it. Do you really think Fed policy can halt the slide of the dollar vs. the Euro and other currencies? It's not working so far is it?

We need another volkner at the steering wheel - if the overnight interest rates go up to 16 percent, dollar will recover.

Btw, I own some 60k of shimano stock, it has been doing piss-poor lateley. I guess my thoughts of switching to campy is a perverted attempt to hedge my exposure.

patentcad 01-20-08 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by FrankBattle (Post 6019564)
You know, maybe the real truth is that Shimano needs MENSA members to set it up, while any schmo can set up a Campy. Sadly (fortunately?), MENSA is exclusive. Many pretend .. these are probably the ones who set up Shimano groups and then cry and moan about how Campy is so superior and so much more intuitive.

I've tried Campy. I do not see the big deal. I barely have to touch my D/A or my Ultegra, for that matter, and they shift ever so smoothly.

Just another POV.

Please carry on ..

You're trying to convince everyone over 40 that they need stronger reading glasses with these annoying tiny fonts aren't you?

It's working.

Hocam 01-20-08 11:08 PM

I just greased my campy freehub and it is buttery smooth and almost silent, very sudden change from how it comes from the factory.

Yuummmmm

I had some drinks with bike nerd friends too.. good nightt..

FrankBattle 01-21-08 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 6019684)
You're trying to convince everyone over 40 that they need stronger reading glasses with these annoying tiny fonts aren't you?

It's working.

I'm everyone's favorite spook who sat by the door. I like to type in soft tones at times.


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