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sykerocker 01-21-08 12:36 AM

Interesting thread, 50 replies. Came at a good time, as my next project is to take a classic lugged steel frame and build it up current technology, or at worst just-shy-of-current.

Having waded through all this, I'm now seriously considering SRAM Rival or Force.

boss4774 01-21-08 03:25 AM

dude, switching to campy is like going from a PC to MAC.

1) the same performace
2) crappy support
3) it costs a lot more
4) get SRAM (wait, did I just say that?)

vic32amg 01-21-08 03:28 AM

I like campy . love the way it looks and feels on the hands. how ever the shifting comes off very " clunky " in my opinion. I'm sure i would like it more once i became more comfortable. But Shimano dura-ace feels very surgical to me. smooth and precise. Where campy feels more forced.

prendrefeu 01-21-08 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by rousseau (Post 6017981)
Erm...it's been a while since I darkened the door of a world religions class, but I'd rather suspect that the Italians would be the Catholic ones, and the Japanese would tend to be Buddhist. I think your application of the ecclesiastical here is a bit confused.

As is yours. There is a saying in Japan - Shinto until 60, Buddhist after 60. The reasoning is that Shinto (the traditional religion of Japan) does not believe in reincarnation.

prendrefeu 01-21-08 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by sykerocker (Post 6019999)
Interesting thread, 50 replies. Came at a good time, as my next project is to take a classic lugged steel frame and build it up current technology, or at worst just-shy-of-current.

Having waded through all this, I'm now seriously considering SRAM Rival or Force.

+1 Also switching from Ultegra to Force (eventually) and Red on the new build.

cs1 01-21-08 03:42 AM


Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina (Post 6018248)
Buy a Centaur group, get it set up by someone who actually knows how to work on Campagnolo.

Those who say Campagnolo shifting is clunky like to softer action of Shimano. This is just a personal preference.

The pros tend to prefer the very clear, positive shifting of Campagnolo (hence the new ltd ed group with STRONGER springs to further accentuate this "clunky" feeling).

Jumping on a new Campagnolo group, riding around the parking lot is not a test of anything. Campagnolo starts out stiff and smooths out after a few thousand kms. This is deliberate. If you really want to feel Campagnolo, get on someone's year old stuff and ride it for a few hours. That will be a little more realistic.

In the end, give it a go. They will both work fine. You can decide for yourself which you prefer.


That sums it up for me. My Daytona 10 sp shifts great. No problems to report at all. The thumb shifter seems a little strange at first. When you get used to moving your hand in the direction you want the chain to go it becomes very intuitive. That's when it becomes hard to go back to Shimano. You move your hand in the same direction to upshift or downshift on Shimano. Other than that performance is similar.

Tim

road monkey 01-21-08 07:28 AM

Go Sram, and don't go back...

solveg 01-21-08 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by sykerocker (Post 6019999)
Interesting thread, 50 replies. Came at a good time, as my next project is to take a classic lugged steel frame and build it up current technology, or at worst just-shy-of-current.

Having waded through all this, I'm now seriously considering SRAM Rival or Force.

I'm thinking of putting Centaur on my 80's Mondonico. I got a great deal on it...and it seems nice to put it on an Italian bike. I've never ridden campy. If I don't put it on the Mondonico, I'm not sure I'll put it on anything, because I'm just fine with the Shimano.

I just got a vintage Peloton with Suntour Superbe pro on it and I'm really looking forward to trying it out.

Hocam 01-21-08 07:45 AM

A friend and I had a good conversation about campy, how despite all the proprietary bull**** (135 mm BCD, 110 BCD not really 110, proprietary shift cables etc.) the fact that everything is so rebuildable and replaceable is kind of amazing.

The higher end square taper bottom brackets are actually serviceable. You can take them apart, clean and regrease the bearing and keep using the bottom bracket for another 10,000 miles, or replace only the bearings and races. Meanwhile, any other cartridge bottom bracket wouldn't last as long and would have to be completely replaced (except for Phil BBs).

The same goes for all the hubs, even the race inside the hub is replaceable. In fact, the 2006 record and chorus hubs could be overhauled with 2 allen wrenches! You don't even need a cone wrench! It's like they said "Ya know, let's just forget about planned obsolescence and make all the bearings and shifters last forever, but charge more".

So when you look at the upfront cost, campy is more expensive for the same quality of performance (different feel).

But, down the line their stuff lasts longer and you can service everything until it turns to dust, then buy the 1 replacement part instead of a whole new hub.

Even my 2007 centaur hubs, in 10,000 miles when the bearings start to go I can just buy new catridge bearings. When the rim braking surface wears away, I can keep the same hub and just re-lace it to a new rim, replacing the bearings and overhauling the freehub when it needs it.

That is awesome.

patentcad 01-21-08 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by boss4774 (Post 6020286)
dude, switching to campy is like going from a PC to MAC.

1) the same performace
2) crappy support
3) it costs a lot more
4) get SRAM (wait, did I just say that?)

And yet Mac owners are consistently 25+ percentage points higher than the top PC/Windows competitors in customer satisfaction surveys. It must be all that crappy support and lousy performance. Try to sound like you know what you're talking about even when you clearly do not.

prendrefeu 01-21-08 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Hocam (Post 6020656)
*blah blah blah* It's like they said "Ya know, let's just forget about planned obsolescence and make all the bearings and shifters last forever, but charge more". *blah blah blah*
That is awesome.

"Forever" is an impossibility. Nothing lasts forever.

BillyD 01-21-08 11:39 AM

It's probably not too late for me to grab some popcorn and settle in for the show: Campy vs Shimano, part 942 . . . . . . thousand.



Originally Posted by boss4774 (Post 6020286)
dude, switching to campy is like going from a PC to MAC.

1) the same performace
2) crappy support
3) it costs a lot more
4) get SRAM (wait, did I just say that?)

:roflmao: You're clueless my friend, without a clue. :roflmao:

wfrogge 01-21-08 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by prendrefeu (Post 6020304)
As is yours. There is a saying in Japan - Shinto until 60, Buddhist after 60. The reasoning is that Shinto (the traditional religion of Japan) does not believe in reincarnation.

That post is full of Bullshinto!

*Watched American Flyers this weekend again :) *

AssosMan 01-21-08 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by cs1 (Post 6020325)
That sums it up for me. My Daytona 10 sp shifts great. No problems to report at all. The thumb shifter seems a little strange at first. When you get used to moving your hand in the direction you want the chain to go it becomes very intuitive. That's when it becomes hard to go back to Shimano. You move your hand in the same direction to upshift or downshift on Shimano. Other than that performance is similar.

Tim

I've heard a lot of people say that. Shimano offers a similar thing though. When I want to shift to a bigger chain ring or cog, I reach for the bigger shifting lever, when I want a smaller one, I reach for the smaller lever......

rufvelo 01-21-08 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by patentcad (Post 6020673)
And yet Mac owners are consistently 25+ percentage points higher than the top PC/Windows competitors in customer satisfaction surveys. .....

You mean the 4 Mac users guys who responded to the survey?

Or by large desktop deployments (3000+ users each) in multi-billion global companies?

Hocam 01-21-08 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by prendrefeu (Post 6021689)
"Forever" is an impossibility. Nothing lasts forever.

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1. the act of exaggerating or overstating.
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subframe 01-21-08 12:49 PM

desktop deployment at work != better system :D. Would you let your IT department decide what bike you should ride?

As for the OP, there should really only be two factors in your decision: your personal preference, and the cost. The first of course is up to you, and as for hte second, I would suggest that the oft-heard refrain of 'campy is more expensive' simply isn't true. I think a lot of people often base this opinion on the assumption that Record=Dura-Ace, when in reality, Chorus=Dura-Ace, and Record would be like Dura-Ace SL or something. Of course, if you have to deal with conversion cassettes or new wheelsets, that may change the picture completely.

Regardless, it sounds like you enjoy campy, so you might as well try it IMO

Savagewolf 01-21-08 12:57 PM

I prefer Shimano, mainly because I don't dig shifting with my thumb. Dura-Ace, Record, Red.....they really don't offer a huge performance difference from eachother. It's mostly a personal preferance and what feel you like.

I have Dura-Ace on my Madone, and have thought heavily about switching to SRAM Red....mainly because of the weight and I like the cleaner look or SRAM. I could also switch to Record if I wanted to lower weight.

The only reason I haven't? What's the point? I'm not at the ideal cycling weight (though I am in great shape and not overweight), so the grams that I save are nothing compared to what eating a couple less hamburgers a week would do. Even if I were at the perfect cycling weight, I'm still not a pro so those tiny extra seconds I may or may not save in a ride don't really matter that much.

Shimano has done me just fine, and I'm very happy with it's performance. The big three component manufacturers all produce quality gear, so just choose what you like and don't be influenced by the whole Italian/Japanese/insert other country myth. Italy puts out some great gear, and puts out some crap...as does America, Japan, and every other country out there.

If you really want to see some performance changing gear, follow the advice of BF wisdom that everyone seems to say but not always follow.....improve the engine. It's the strongest and weakest link on the bike.



-EDIT- Speaking of which....time for me to go on a ride !

prendrefeu 01-21-08 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by wfrogge (Post 6021952)
That post is full of Bullshinto!

*Watched American Flyers this weekend again :) *

Nice :D

Bike Lover 01-21-08 01:01 PM

Personally, I can't wait to get some seat time in comparing the two. I'm waiting for my RT700 with DA just for this comparision. FWIW, when I was looking for my first bike, I tried both and found both shifting mechanisms easy to adapt to. I haven't spent more time than that on DA though.

BarracksSi 01-21-08 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by subframe (Post 6022416)
desktop deployment at work != better system :D. Would you let your IT department decide what bike you should ride?

Gah! No! They'd give me something that would break or go out of adjustment often and keep me coming back for help, thereby giving them a reason to exist, saving their jobs.

:D

merlinextraligh 01-21-08 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Doctor Who (Post 6018685)
I think this is due mostly in part to most bikes being spec'd with Shimano from the factory, at least as far as entry to mid-high budget bikes go. When it comes to completely bespoke bikes, it seems to me that most of them are running Campy.

Whatever the reason, my point was that 80% plus of the American Bike Racing community would have be not " in the know" for the OP's assertion to be correct.

It's an absurd argument to say that everyone "in the know" likes Campy.

Except for the fact it's a tautology; it is a heck of an argument: Anyone that likes Campy supports my conclusion; Anyone that prefers Shimano doesn't know what he's talking about.

Coyote2 01-21-08 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by qw1a (Post 6019625)
We need another volkner at the steering wheel - if the overnight interest rates go up to 16 percent, dollar will recover.

Btw, I own some 60k of shimano stock, it has been doing piss-poor lateley. I guess my thoughts of switching to campy is a perverted attempt to hedge my exposure.

If you're going to reference a former Fed Chairman, at least get it right: VOLCKER, as in Paul Volcker.

And your policy recommendation? It may help the US$ appreciate a bit, but it would cause a helluva recession...If we're going into a recession now, 16% interest rates would get us into a genuine mess. And if you really have $60k in Shimano stock, that won't help you a bit.

Coyote2 01-21-08 02:21 PM

PS: among amateur racers in the US, I don't see Campy very often.

patentcad 01-21-08 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by rufvelo (Post 6022367)
You mean the 4 Mac users guys who responded to the survey?

Or by large desktop deployments (3000+ users each) in multi-billion global companies?

There are over 25 million Macs in the USA alone. Stay arrogant, it's helping Apple. Big time.

And of course retain your charming ignorance. it becomes you.

P.S. If you hadn't noticed, Apple Inc is now larger than most of those 'multi-billion dollar global companies'.


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