"Forever" is an impossibility. Nothing lasts forever.

It's probably not too late for me to grab some popcorn and settle in for the show: Campy vs Shimano, part 942 . . . . . . thousand.


:roflmao: You're clueless my friend, without a clue. :roflmao:

That post is full of Bullshinto!

*Watched American Flyers this weekend again :) *

I've heard a lot of people say that. Shimano offers a similar thing though. When I want to shift to a bigger chain ring or cog, I reach for the bigger shifting lever, when I want a smaller one, I reach for the smaller lever......

You mean the 4 Mac users guys who responded to the survey?

Or by large desktop deployments (3000+ users each) in multi-billion global companies?

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desktop deployment at work != better system :D. Would you let your IT department decide what bike you should ride?

As for the OP, there should really only be two factors in your decision: your personal preference, and the cost. The first of course is up to you, and as for hte second, I would suggest that the oft-heard refrain of 'campy is more expensive' simply isn't true. I think a lot of people often base this opinion on the assumption that Record=Dura-Ace, when in reality, Chorus=Dura-Ace, and Record would be like Dura-Ace SL or something. Of course, if you have to deal with conversion cassettes or new wheelsets, that may change the picture completely.

Regardless, it sounds like you enjoy campy, so you might as well try it IMO

I prefer Shimano, mainly because I don't dig shifting with my thumb. Dura-Ace, Record, Red.....they really don't offer a huge performance difference from eachother. It's mostly a personal preferance and what feel you like.

I have Dura-Ace on my Madone, and have thought heavily about switching to SRAM Red....mainly because of the weight and I like the cleaner look or SRAM. I could also switch to Record if I wanted to lower weight.

The only reason I haven't? What's the point? I'm not at the ideal cycling weight (though I am in great shape and not overweight), so the grams that I save are nothing compared to what eating a couple less hamburgers a week would do. Even if I were at the perfect cycling weight, I'm still not a pro so those tiny extra seconds I may or may not save in a ride don't really matter that much.

Shimano has done me just fine, and I'm very happy with it's performance. The big three component manufacturers all produce quality gear, so just choose what you like and don't be influenced by the whole Italian/Japanese/insert other country myth. Italy puts out some great gear, and puts out some crap...as does America, Japan, and every other country out there.

If you really want to see some performance changing gear, follow the advice of BF wisdom that everyone seems to say but not always follow.....improve the engine. It's the strongest and weakest link on the bike.



-EDIT- Speaking of which....time for me to go on a ride !

Nice :D

Personally, I can't wait to get some seat time in comparing the two. I'm waiting for my RT700 with DA just for this comparision. FWIW, when I was looking for my first bike, I tried both and found both shifting mechanisms easy to adapt to. I haven't spent more time than that on DA though.

Gah! No! They'd give me something that would break or go out of adjustment often and keep me coming back for help, thereby giving them a reason to exist, saving their jobs.

:D

Whatever the reason, my point was that 80% plus of the American Bike Racing community would have be not " in the know" for the OP's assertion to be correct.

It's an absurd argument to say that everyone "in the know" likes Campy.

Except for the fact it's a tautology; it is a heck of an argument: Anyone that likes Campy supports my conclusion; Anyone that prefers Shimano doesn't know what he's talking about.

If you're going to reference a former Fed Chairman, at least get it right: VOLCKER, as in Paul Volcker.

And your policy recommendation? It may help the US$ appreciate a bit, but it would cause a helluva recession...If we're going into a recession now, 16% interest rates would get us into a genuine mess. And if you really have $60k in Shimano stock, that won't help you a bit.

PS: among amateur racers in the US, I don't see Campy very often.

There are over 25 million Macs in the USA alone. Stay arrogant, it's helping Apple. Big time.

And of course retain your charming ignorance. it becomes you.

P.S. If you hadn't noticed, Apple Inc is now larger than most of those 'multi-billion dollar global companies'.

I did not say "everyone", I said "people", as in "some" rather that "all". Amrican racing communitys preference for shimano is skewed by the fact that almost all of the bikes here come prebuilt with shimano. If you look all over the world, you might have a different picture. For instance, a quick look at bikes of the pros supports my conclusion. European riders like campy more, for whatever reason.

Argument that campy is behind shimano in terms of technology is equally absurd. The fact that campy arrived at lever-integrated shifters after shimano is perfectly compensated by the fact that campy arrived at the 10-speed stop first.

Price wise, if I was starting from nothing to arrive at 10sp divetrain, campy is clearly cheaper.

Wise words! :)

Yes, I was talking about the former head of the fed and forgive my spelling - I am posting from a blackberry. It's not my job to set monetary policy, my job is to make money for my firm and myself. So far BB demonstrated himself as a complete and predictable wuss, making it fairly easy to make money in this environment.

I would hope, however, that someone at the helm will let the fire burn for a while rather than keep creating bubble after bubble by overaccomodating.

As for shimano stock - I thought it was a great buy a month ago and think its an even better buy today, after 6 percent fall in spx. Despite that, I would like to try campy ;)

[QUOTE=qw1a;6023149]Yes, I was talking about the former head of the fed and forgive my spelling - I am posting from a blackberry. It's not my job to set monetary policy, my job is to make money for my firm and myself. So far BB demonstrated himself as a complete and predictable wuss, making it fairly easy to make money in this environment.

You're a trained economist? What are your credentials?

I would hope, however, that someone at the helm will let the fire burn for a while rather than keep creating bubble after bubble by overaccomodating.

A 16% interest rate would not "let the fire burn;" it would snuff it out.

Test ride bikes with the different groups and go with the one that feels best. I did and I like the shifter ergonomics of SRAM and Campy over Shimano.

In the end I went with Campy Veloce with SRAM Rival a close second (anything better was beyond my budget). I could have bought an Ultegra equipped bike for what the Veloce equipped bike cost as road bikes with shimano groups are always on clearance this time of year.

Performance wise they all do the same task well. I just liked the way the Campy shifters felt and worked. But I must say that I was temped by SRAM.

There, all fixed!

Japan is a Buddhist country. Buddhism, Shintoism, Confucianism and Taoism are all present to varying degrees, and yes, Shintoism is native to Japan (and was domininant between the 16th and 19th centuries), but Buddhism is now the main religion by far, and there is nothing inaccurate in my saying that "Japanese would tend to be Buddhist" at all.

And yes, the Japanese (East Asians in general, in fact) aren't theologically dogmatic the way we are, and will pray at different shrines depending on their moods, but my point still stands, and yours doesn't, never mind the notion of "sisters" lighting candles for a Shimanoesque saint.

Go Campy!

*cough*ipod*cough*

Sorry something in my *cough*iphone*cough* throat.

what a crock.

guess what sparky. the reason why those pro are riding campagnolo (and shimano and sram for that matter) is that campagnolo, shimano, and sram sponsor them.

duh.

Do you actually think that 10spd is as revolutionary as STI technology? :rolleyes:

actually more than half I honestly think. On the most recent Ride Magazine...even Orbea has finally put an alternate facility in Taiwan.

[QUOTE=Coyote2;6023232]To the first question - no formal economics training (phd in physics), but 10 years of risk-taking experience in top financial firms. As for bb being an inexperienced wuss - compare him to king or trichet.

As for o/n rate and fire - this country is going to see stagflation soon, just like the 70s.

On topic - going with sram red.

i will correct myself, the factory of Orbea outside Spain is at Kunshan, China.

qwa's quote:
[QUOTE=qw1a;6023732]That's the problem with social sciences vs physical sciences: I have decades of experience with gravity, velocity, and force but still don't presume to have a great understanding of physics -- but plenty of people presume that their experience in the economy (we all take part in it, after all) gives them an understanding of economics. I'm sure you understand your own little niche, but even that understanding probably is rather skewed by your own self-interest.

Not trying to say Shimano is better than Campy. I am saying its stupid to prefer Campy because "people in the know" prefer campy. Obviously there are a decent number of people who know something about riding a bike that ride Dura Ace equipped bikes. So at least some people "in the know " prefer Shimano.

I just don't like the idea of shifting with my thumb cuz I usually use my thumb to stabilize my hands on the hoods.