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Old 01-21-08, 12:57 AM   #1
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$185 Composite Frame?

I've been a fan of Chucks Bikes - having purchased a few things with good experiences...

And I'm on the hunt for something for a friend.

Saw this on the website - an "Advanced RR1 Composite Frame" - $185 w/fork



Link to full listing - http://www.chucksbikes.com/store/indexfr089.htm

Something says "RUN!" but I figured I'd check here first.

Anybody?

Thanks...

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Old 01-21-08, 01:36 AM   #2
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185?...................................like The Wind.............................
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oooohhh... that's hideous.
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it's so clear to me. Those curvy geometric lines were the result of complex FEA engineering. The carbon layout gives clear indications of a laterally stiff and vertically compliant ride. Gravel roads will ride like butter. End of report.
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Strange...To me it looks like a cat ready to pounce. Either that or a dog doing his business
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I just saw a plane jane Fuji aluminum frame go for $300 on ebay. $185 is a steal for carbon. How much cheaper can a cf frame get?
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Is available for same $. Cheap unknown steel or cheap unknown CF?
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it looks like it wants to hurl
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For $185, what have you got to lose? The only thing I see is that it looks like a 1" steerer tube so it might be a bit soft up there.
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About four years ago I bought one to basically flip it as a tri bike(sell for profit), and to see if I wanted one for myself. The frame wasn't superlight but light enough. With a straight seatpost, and bladed fork it really looked the part of a tri bike and I did make a little cash selling it off built up. At the time chuck was selling those frames without forks for about 350. They are from the martec factory. Nothing magnificent but definately nothing to be scared of. I've had numerous positive experiences with Chuck and I doubt hes about to start making bad business decisions.
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Hopefully your friend is blind.
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looks like an old Aegis frame.
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I'm surprised a man with such good taste would even stand to look at that thing for more than 20 seconds.

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I've been a fan of Chucks Bikes - having purchased a few things with good experiences...

And I'm on the hunt for something for a friend.

Saw this on the website - an "Advanced RR1 Composite Frame" - $185 w/fork



Link to full listing - http://www.chucksbikes.com/store/indexfr089.htm

Something says "RUN!" but I figured I'd check here first.

Anybody?

Thanks...

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Known quantity for $225?

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with meaningless CF seat stays. Weighs the same as my steel Ritchey, but it's cheap (1390g - 1550g, depending on size):
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An employee at a large frame company (wont specify the brand) told me that the cost of materials for their $2K+ composite frame is actually less than $20. The consumer, apparently, pays for their R & D, and their labor costs, but not materials cost.

So all you'd have to do is move manufacture overseas and there you have it, cheap plastic frames. We'll see more of them. (note, we're talking about composite frames, not necessarily carbon fiber)
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An employee at a large frame company (wont specify the brand) told me that the cost of materials for their $2K+ composite frame is actually less than $20. The consumer, apparently, pays for their R & D, and their labor costs, but not materials cost.

So all you'd have to do is move manufacture overseas and there you have it, cheap plastic frames. We'll see more of them. (note, we're talking about composite frames, not necessarily carbon fiber)
In a word, tooling. It is the highest cost of CF fabrication. The molds and dies do not have infinite lifetimes. They wear and as they wear the tolerances change. I would imagine many (most?) of the low cost CF frames we see from time to time are built with other companies discarded, non spec (sold cheap) tooling.

I read somewhere that the molds for Bontager's carbon rims are about $10K each. That's part of what drives the price of CF. It isn't materials, it's tooling and of course, labor, to a slightly lesser extent depending on the country where the labor is performed.
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I bought one recently to hang some spare parts on. Overall it's fine. The only blemish is the fact that the bosses for the water bottle cages aren't there, just the holes where they would be fitted (factory seconds, anyone?). Apart from that, the frame looks fine (personal opinions on aesthetics notwithstanding). I'm not worried about it structurally.
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For $185 could you get the Tete painted the rest of the way?
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For $185 could you get the Tete painted the rest of the way?
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i'm sure the frame is perfectly fine! it won't win you any tour stages...but i imagine it's still more than enough frame for most non-pro riders...
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For $185 could you get the Tete painted the rest of the way?
If only it took money....
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Is that duct tape or electrical tape holding the front derailluer mount to the seat tube?
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Is that duct tape or electrical tape holding the front derailluer mount to the seat tube?
FYI: mine has no front derailleur mount. It uses a 28.6 clamp-on FD. The seatpost is 25.4, and the BB is English threaded.

Oh, and there is only one set of bottle bosses (on the down tube). Or at least there would be, if they were installed...
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Oh, and there is only one set of bottle bosses (on the down tube). Or at least there would be, if they were installed...
How did you deal with the lack of bottle bosses?
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An employee at a large frame company (wont specify the brand) told me that the cost of materials for their $2K+ composite frame is actually less than $20. The consumer, apparently, pays for their R & D, and their labor costs, but not materials cost.

So all you'd have to do is move manufacture overseas and there you have it, cheap plastic frames. We'll see more of them. (note, we're talking about composite frames, not necessarily carbon fiber)
An employee at a large software company (won't specifiy the one, but the name sounds similar to My Crow Loft) told me that the cost of the materials for their operating system is only like $0.02. The consumer apparently pays for their R & D, labor costs, but not materials.

Silly capitalists.
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