That just confirms the the Cult of Pcad was aware of Pcad before Pcad was aware of himself.

Sort of like selecting a 6 year old to be the Dalai lamas successor.

How about a link to back up that 50mph claim? I personally don't believe it. It is simply a matter of physics - if you are standing bolt upright in that huge contraption you are going to have at least twice the wind resistance of a standard bike. On a standard bike it takes about 2000 sustained watts to go 50mph (from www.analyticcycling.com). So, on that thing you would need to put out something like 4000 watts to go 50 mph. I don't care if you are using your arms and your legs or any other muscles - nobody can put out 4000 watts.

No, but to some, posting on BF is about ego and how you're better than someone else who doesn't know as much as you.

The laws of physics will prevent that thing from going as fast as a bike. It's just plain a bad idea and it's nothing new. Understanding how things work and what does not work is the real reason it's lousy. It has nothing to do with attitude. Thinking that it can go easliy over 50 is just gross misunderstanding.

Here's what one site said exactly......

The inventor describes it as "crawling at 50 mph" and compares the experience to swimming. And at least one person who has given it a go reflects on the fact that one has to learn the motions--a bit like a bird has to learn to fly.

That means he says it feels like it. The thing weighs 200 lbs. Think about that. PLus it's not new and there's no new ones.

Most tinkerers can cobble something up that does one aspect of a job better than the current solution. Back in the late 1800's, there were many bikes of this style - two wheels in tandem with the center of gravity positioned below the hub. The trick is to balance the trade-offs to make something that people want to use.

For instance, even if it could go 50 mph, how would you turn it at speed? Parking? How about portability? Maneuverability? Potholes? How about the weight of the transmission to cover the 0-50mph speed range with only 3-400 watts behind it and going up hills? Yes, perhaps you are using your whole body (and don't we all when we ride out of the saddle?), but you are still, in the end, using muscle power to force a 100lb hunk of rolling metal and rubber up a hill. I couldn't even get this to my house, much less use it on a daily basis.

See, it is deafeningly easy to create a one trick pony; in this case, the 50 mph speedster that runs in straight lines on level ground at the beach. It is very difficult to engineer a product which will fit both the primary and secondary requirements and appeal to all the potential customers of the product.

All good stuff, except the site admits it weighs 200 lbs. ;)

"The prototype weighs in at about 200 pounds, as you might expect by looking at it," :D

so if that's the god of freds - does that make pcad the "Fred of Gods"?

You are deifying Pcad. The Cult of Pcad can certainly accept that, but disavows any responsibility for your pathological fixation on same.