Geometry question. How much difference does 1º make in the seat tube angle?
I am looking at the Ritchey Break-Away and its seat tube angle in my size is 75º. My current bike has a 74º seat tube angle and I was wondering how much of a difference it will make.
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Originally Posted by Ti-Fan
(Post 6079177)
I am looking at the Ritchey Break-Away and its seat tube angle in my size is 75º. My current bike has a 74º seat tube angle and I was wondering how much of a difference it will make.
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enough to slide your saddle forward a by 1/8" or 4mm if the frame is large enough.
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If the headtube angles of the two bikes are the same, the steeper (75) seat angle will shorten the top tube by approximately 7-8mm. To get the to fit the same, you have to push your seat back a bit on the rails and/or get a longer stem.
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Originally Posted by damocles1
(Post 6079230)
If the headtube angles of the two bikes are the same, the steeper (75) seat angle will shorten the top tube by approximately 7-8mm. To get the to fit the same, you have to push your seat back a bit on the rails and/or get a longer stem.
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Whats the seat tube angle on the 53 cm frame. If you assess it carefully I think that you will find next to no difference in size between the 50 cm and the 53 cm except that the steeper seat tube angle on the 50 cm frame makes the top tube length look shorter on paper which is the EXACT reason why they do such a thing. By the time you fit a rear set seatpost to the smaller frame to position yourself back at KOPS there will be NO difference anymore.
When you get down to such small frame sizes it highly likely that you will be better off looking at 650c frames and I know there's a lot of prejudice against 650c wheels but that's the way it is. If you think to yourself, I don't want to ride a 650c bike then you know EXACTLY the reason why manufacturers fiddle with the geometry of 700c bikes to make it look right on paper. It won't be a comfortable ride with such a steep seat tube angle of 75º but your more likely to buy it which is why manufacturers are more likely to make it. Regards, Anthony |
By the time you fit a rear set seatpost to the smaller frame to position yourself back at KOPS there will be NO difference anymore. Dru |
If the seat tube angle is 1 degree different. You will have to move your saddle either foward or back to get the same set back from the center of the BB.
You may or may not need a setback seat post or zero set back post depending where the saddle is clamped on it's rails. what will change is the front center. The steeper the seat tube angle, then the longer the front center will be. You have to consider the tube length and angles of any frame to see how it can be set up. If 2 bikes have the same top tube length, then the one with the steeper seat tube angle (asuming the distance behind BB is equal) will need a shorter stem as the reach will be longer. |
Yes what I left out is that if you have 2 frames with the SAME nominal top tube length but DIFFERENT seat tube angles then the frame with the steeper seat tube angle has a LONGER Bottom bracket to head tube distance. I would say that the frame with the more relaxed seat tube angle but the same top tube length is actually a SMALLER frame with a shorter BB to HT distance. When you correct the steeper seat tube angle for KOPS then suddenly you have a longer effective top tube length.
Regards, Anthony |
Angle and effect is dependent on the length of the seat post used... (exposed). 1* @ 8" = .1" difference.
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Here is a question I posed back in December…
"How much further back would my saddle be with a seatpost angle change of 1 degree (74 to 73) at a height of 73.5 cm..." Here is the answer from durk onion… “Assuming that the 73.5 cm is the length of the seat tube: 73.5cm[cos(73)-cos(74)] = 1.23cm farther back” I find this formula very handy… |
Originally Posted by drunix
(Post 6079917)
Exactly, if you use KOPS and a constant distance center of the BB to the top of the saddle, then you're going to end up with the same "effective" seat tube angle on any bike that you set up this way. However, the actual seat tube angle will determine how easy it is to get a KOPS fit (if that's your goal).
Dru Road Fan |
most saddles have 4 in., 10 cm., of adjustability, it won't matter a whit.
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Except if you are on the limit of the saddle rails (I mean physical limit, not the stupid "stop" markings on the rails)
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Originally Posted by nitropowered
(Post 6083066)
Except if you are on the limit of the saddle rails (I mean physical limit, not the stupid "stop" markings on the rails)
That also raises the other point. With a 75º seat tube angle it is quite possible to not be able to position the saddle far enough back, even WITH a rear set seatpost to achieve KOPS. With a 75º seat tube angle + rear set seatpost + saddle ALL the way back I could only achieve 50 mm of saddle set back which isn't much at all. I think that I read that TT bikes (or was it road bikes?) need to have at LEAST 50 mm of saddle setback to be legal. I needed about 70 mm of setback to get to KOPS which has me at an effective seat tube angle of 69º to achieve. Regards, Anthony |
Originally Posted by AnthonyG
(Post 6085927)
I think that I read that TT bikes (or was it road bikes?) need to have at LEAST 50 mm of saddle setback to be legal.
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