How soon before we see 11 speed?
02-10-08, 05:29 AM
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How soon before we see 11 speed?
It is only a matter of time. Whether or not it makes any sense is not really the point since from a marketing standpoint 11 sounds newer and possibly more superior to 10. Anyone with any inside info? Shimano launched 10 speed in 05 and we're well underway into '08 now.
02-10-08, 05:35 AM
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I think both shimano and campy have realised that having more than ten gears is pretty pointless, as the current cassettes offer basically single-spacings where it matters.
eg. 10-speed 12-23:
12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23
So all single-tooth spacings right across the board of frequently used gears.
More energy is being focused on electronic shifting, which is arguably about as much use as 11-speed, but there you go.
eg. 10-speed 12-23:
12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23
So all single-tooth spacings right across the board of frequently used gears.
More energy is being focused on electronic shifting, which is arguably about as much use as 11-speed, but there you go.
02-10-08, 06:07 AM
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I think both shimano and campy have realised that having more than ten gears is pretty pointless, as the current cassettes offer basically single-spacings where it matters.
eg. 10-speed 12-23:
12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23
So all single-tooth spacings right across the board of frequently used gears.
eg. 10-speed 12-23:
12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23
So all single-tooth spacings right across the board of frequently used gears.
02-10-08, 06:09 AM
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I think both shimano and campy have realised that having more than ten gears is pretty pointless, as the current cassettes offer basically single-spacings where it matters.
eg. 10-speed 12-23:
12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23
So all single-tooth spacings right across the board of frequently used gears.
More energy is being focused on electronic shifting, which is arguably about as much use as 11-speed, but there you go.
eg. 10-speed 12-23:
12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23
So all single-tooth spacings right across the board of frequently used gears.
More energy is being focused on electronic shifting, which is arguably about as much use as 11-speed, but there you go.
02-10-08, 09:47 AM
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Haha! Nice spinal tap reference.
I think it's a little pointless to go to 11 speed since either all the rear spacings will have to be changed, or the cogs will have to be so thin that they'll wear out too fast for people to be content with it.
It won't be efficient from a price perspective for the consumers. Atleast 10 speeds last reasonably long.
I think it's a little pointless to go to 11 speed since either all the rear spacings will have to be changed, or the cogs will have to be so thin that they'll wear out too fast for people to be content with it.
It won't be efficient from a price perspective for the consumers. Atleast 10 speeds last reasonably long.
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At some point, wouldn't you get less utility out of some of those added gears, because cross-chaining would become a serious issue?
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Why worry about 11 gears when you can have this ?
https://sheldonbrown.com/harris/nuvinci.html?
https://sheldonbrown.com/harris/nuvinci.html?
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I still like my eight speed campy! Just ordered a 10 speed from PBK (207 Record). The eight speed campy performs better than the Shimano 9's! Is there a generation of 9 speeds that don't work well!
02-10-08, 11:18 AM
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What about a "quadruple." That way, the industry could make "28 speed" department store bikes.
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Doh! Beat me to it!
There was a 13-speed rumour going around a while back - then everyone could have an 11-27, which would theoretically have some use. But it would require yet a new standard of dropout spacing, which would in theory scupper it, but the move up from 7-speed did require that and there's a new standard in over-size bottom brackets which may very well catch on.
Would probably require a different freehub too, which could have the potential to be smaller, allowing people with compact cranks get a 9 or 10-tooth cog for vicious down-hills.
I admit that a well spaced 11-27 cassette sounds somewhat appealing given that I swap around 11-23, 12-25, and 12-27 cassettes for various applications.
There was a 13-speed rumour going around a while back - then everyone could have an 11-27, which would theoretically have some use. But it would require yet a new standard of dropout spacing, which would in theory scupper it, but the move up from 7-speed did require that and there's a new standard in over-size bottom brackets which may very well catch on.
Would probably require a different freehub too, which could have the potential to be smaller, allowing people with compact cranks get a 9 or 10-tooth cog for vicious down-hills.
I admit that a well spaced 11-27 cassette sounds somewhat appealing given that I swap around 11-23, 12-25, and 12-27 cassettes for various applications.
02-10-08, 11:34 AM
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Seems to me that they would have to increase the spacing of frames and increase the dish of the rear wheel. The other option would be even thinner cogs and chains. Neither is a trade I am interested in making for one more cog.
02-10-08, 11:38 AM
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Actually a friend of mine already has an 11 speed cassette that he's managed to squeeze on his lowracer. It seems to work well for him. I wish I could find the pic he sent me of it. I don't really see much need for it myself - I like the durability and peace of mind you get from 9 speed.
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shimano will have to make 10sp mtn before they're allowed to go up to 11sp road :-D
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I predict the next craze will be "ultralight" drivetrains with half the cogs. To avoid a bad stigma, they won't be called 10 speeds, but will have a catchy name to make people want them. It's happened before: We don't call SUVs station wagons, but that's what they are.
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I,ll bet a weeks pay the lemmings will stand in line holding their ankles to overpay for an 11-speed when they come out.
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02-10-08, 01:08 PM
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That Spinal Tap reference is reason enough by itself to have an 11-23 cassette.
Dura Ace 11-23 10 speed cassette: $180
Being able to say 'Mine goes to 11': Priceless
Dura Ace 11-23 10 speed cassette: $180
Being able to say 'Mine goes to 11': Priceless
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