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How does the Rolf Vigor RS compare to the Campy Eurus Wheels?

Old 03-02-08, 03:01 PM
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How does the Rolf Vigor RS compare to the Campy Eurus Wheels?

In weight, quality of built, ride quality?

I know both of them have pretty loud rear hubs, which one would be louder? I currently ride with ck's so I am pretty accustomed to loud hubs.

I am 175lbs.
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I ride Eurus on my Orca and I couldn't be happier with these wheels! Granted I don't race and don't plan to but I do ride these wheels over all kinds of crap roads here in the D.C area. I've even ridden them through some fair sized potholes.

IMHO, these wheels are stiff but not jarringly so. Just for reference, I also have a pair of Ventos that are more compliant.

In terms of noise, the Eurus are loud! Much louder that the Ritchey's I used to run on my Fuji. I certainly can't sneak up on anyone without pedaling! I've been told that they sound like a swarm of angry bumblebees.

I weigh ~190 so I'm no lightweight so you should have no problem with Campy Eurus.
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When you get the wheels take off the freehub and grease the pawls and it'll be almost as quiet as shimano.
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Eurus actually sport a lacing pattern grounded in sound engineering. The asymmetric spoke count on the rear allows the NDS spokes to match the tension of the DS spokes.

Paired spoking, on the other hand, adds no net value to the wheel.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
Eurus actually sport a lacing pattern grounded in sound engineering. The asymmetric spoke count on the rear allows the NDS spokes to match the tension of the DS spokes.

Paired spoking, on the other hand, adds no net value to the wheel.
What does that mean?

Are you referring to the Rolf wheels?
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Originally Posted by Hocam View Post
When you get the wheels take off the freehub and grease the pawls and it'll be almost as quiet as shimano.
+100.

All my wheels receive this treatment.
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Originally Posted by s4one View Post
What does that mean?

Are you referring to the Rolf wheels?
Lacing spokes into closely space pairs doesn't add any net value. It does allow higher tension without causing the rim to snake around between the spokes, but that tension requires a heavier rim. You also end up with large spans of unsupported rim that have to structurally strong enough to support themselves without spokes.

So, you end up with a wheel that isn't any lighter, and isn't any more durable.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
Lacing spokes into closely space pairs doesn't add any net value. It does allow higher tension without causing the rim to snake around between the spokes, but that tension requires a heavier rim. You also end up with large spans of unsupported rim that have to structurally strong enough to support themselves without spokes.

So, you end up with a wheel that isn't any lighter, and isn't any more durable.
Your referring to the Campy Eurus or Rolf Vigor RS?
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Originally Posted by s4one View Post
Your referring to the Campy Eurus or Rolf Vigor RS?
You're killing me here. Which of the following has spokes in pairs?

I actually prefer Campy's Fulcrum line because they spread the spokes evenly (while still using a 1/2 count on the NDS), but Rolf's pairing and Campy's triple are not much of a detraction -- they just add no value. Campy wins because of the 1/2 count on the NDS.



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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
You're killing me here. Which of the following has spokes in pairs?

I actually prefer Campy's Fulcrum line because they spread the spokes evenly (while still using a 1/2 count on the NDS), but Rolf's pairing and Campy's triple are not much of a detraction -- they just add no value. Campy wins because of the 1/2 count on the NDS.



Those are 2004-2005 Eurus wheels. The new one have alum bladed spokes now, different rims and hubs. Easier to compare spoking with those pics, though.
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I'm certainly not up on the model years of boutique wheelsets
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Originally Posted by blacksquid View Post
I ride Eurus on my Orca and I couldn't be happier with these wheels! Granted I don't race and don't plan to but I do ride these wheels over all kinds of crap roads here in the D.C area. I've even ridden them through some fair sized potholes.

IMHO, these wheels are stiff but not jarringly so. Just for reference, I also have a pair of Ventos that are more compliant.

In terms of noise, the Eurus are loud! Much louder that the Ritchey's I used to run on my Fuji. I certainly can't sneak up on anyone without pedaling! I've been told that they sound like a swarm of angry bumblebees.

I weigh ~190 so I'm no lightweight so you should have no problem with Campy Eurus.

I was looking into buying these wheels and I'm sure you have the ones with the Aero type spokes. I'm the same weight and do a lot of century rides. So should I still but the Euros or go with the Ventos?
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Friend of mine has the Rolf's and theyve been really solid.

The Eurus hubs dont sound like Kings but they are really noisy.

Tough call.. I dont think you can go wrong with either set.
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i've been rolling Zondas for a year or so and they are such solid wheels. go with the campy...
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Originally Posted by Hocam View Post
When you get the wheels take off the freehub and grease the pawls and it'll be almost as quiet as shimano.
+1000.

Why is this such a mystery?

My Fulcrum Racing 1's (same freehub, pawls, ratchet ring) are so quiet that I can barely hear them when coasting at 60km.

AND, the whole process takes less than 5 minutes. An open end 17mm wrench, a 5mm allen key, some quality grease... done.
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Eurus over Vento. Hands down better value. Better wheel.

If you want a more compliant Eurus, look at the Zonda. Similar wheel using bladed, stainless spokes instead of bladed aluminium. The price is better, too.
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Will the pawl treatment work on Ventos too? Mine was once called 'an invasion of cicadas'. I put my Velomax w/ shimano hub on and the bike is silent. It is the one thing I still like better about Shimano, but maybe the only thing.

Is there an instruction for this somewhere?
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Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
Eurus actually sport a lacing pattern grounded in sound engineering. The asymmetric spoke count on the rear allows the NDS spokes to match the tension of the DS spokes.

Paired spoking, on the other hand, adds no net value to the wheel.
Can you direct us to any research that supports that statement?

I have 10 years experience riding on paired-spoke wheels. (First, Rolf/Trek Sestrieres, and last three years, Rolf Prima Vigor RS, plus a Rolf Prima Elan front wheel for short, senior games, time trials.) I weigh over 200 pounds and tend to mash out of turnarounds. All the wheels stayed true as the day I got them. Been impressed as this old retro-grouch goes back 40 years in bicycling, and some very good 36 spoke, cross threes didn't hold true as well as the Rolf hand-built paired spoke wheels I have now. Just my, actual, experience. Not doubting anyone else ... if they are speaking from actual, empirical experience.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
Those are 2004-2005 Eurus wheels.
I have those wheels. They don't see as many miles as they used to, but it's always a pleasure during the winter months.

I busted a spoke last year and it was an expensive pain in the ass to locate replacements. I know you worked for Campy - was the Eurus redesigned in 2006 or 2007? I was under the impression it was 2007. For better or for worse?
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Originally Posted by flak4af View Post
Can you direct us to any research that supports that statement?
Callin' him out three years later, eh?
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Callin' him out three years later, eh?
As my trusted bike shop guy sez, there's some useful info on the bike forums, and some mis-information that seems to hang around for years. When somebody flat out dismisses a concept or product, I'd like to know if s/he has personal experience, or can cite an impartial source ... or possibly has some hidden agenda.
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