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Prudhomme considers Tour de France stages without race radios

Old 03-13-08, 08:34 AM
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Prudhomme considers Tour de France stages without race radios

A definite improvement in my opinion. Team tactics are great and all, but they diminish the chance for surprises and f-ups. One could argue that Floyd's Stage 18 was a surprise, but I'd say it was simply poor tactics by his competitors.

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Prudhomme considers Tour de France stages without race radios

Director of the Tour de France, Christian Prudhomme, is considering the idea of banning race radios in the 2008 Tour de France. The Frenchman might prohibit the use of the devices that allow for rider-director sportif communication in the mountains stages.

He said to Belgium's Het Nieuwsblad that he is studying "the idea of banning the race radio in some of the stages of the Tour, maybe in the mountains [stages]."

The International Cycling Union (UCI) announced on February 15 that it formed a "working group" to "treat the question of radio transmissions and coaching during competitions. In particular, it will consider the use of earphones." It decided to go ahead and ban the devices for Under 23 races. The issue, and its regards to top-tier professional races is expected at UCI Management Committee meeting in Copenhagen this June, while more information is expected from Prudhomme as the Tour nears.

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Old 03-13-08, 09:11 AM
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that would be so awesome.
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That would certainly make things a bit more interesting.
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Sounds like a great idea. No radios would certainly lead to more excitement and no more 'waiting for the mountains' until the favorites actually try something other than riding behind their team.
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Definitely...one could say Lance excelled at this sort of communication and had a large impact on his performance. He said as much in his book. That was one well communicated team and they used those radios to a T.

There's be no teammate dropping back to pace leaders who fall behind or at least not to the extent they do it now if they can't find out how far back one has drifted.

Make it raw. We'll all get better action.

And while there at it....get rid of the dame support vehicles. I know they are motorized billboards, but other than the camera car and the mavic neutral support....who needs them? Want water? Set up water stations for riders.
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IMO, the single biggest advantage in the TDF (not counting the derailleur or freewheel which were illegal early on) has been the "race radio". It has put way too much on teams an taken away from individual efforts. A heroic single effort from a weaker team is the impossible with race radios unless the head teams "ok" it.

I am all in favor or bringing the tour back to more individual efforts.
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Whats to stop a rich team from paying people to stand every 1.5km apart with radios and signs to relay info to the riders?
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Originally Posted by bbgobie View Post
Whats to stop a rich team from paying people to stand every 1.5km apart with radios and signs to relay info to the riders?
nothing... but if they're using signs, then wouldn't it help the other riders as well? kinda like when the neutral moto comes by with the time gaps written on a chalk board.
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Originally Posted by bbgobie View Post
Whats to stop a rich team from paying people to stand every 1.5km apart with radios and signs to relay info to the riders?
Beside the above-mentioned point, these signs are lower bandwidth, and less frequent. It's hard to convey much information on a sign.
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Take away the radios...

... and make them use email. Imagine the sight of a pelaton all glued to their BlackBerries...
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As everyone else has said - do it.

I love breakaways. This gives them a fighting chance.
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Originally Posted by Chris_F View Post
Take away the radios...

... and make them use email. Imagine the sight of a pelaton all glued to their BlackBerries...
So very cool.

Your post reminded me of reading this response to Prudhomme's comments I read from one of the commentators on the Velonews ticker for today's Mt. Ventoux stage:
I can't speak for the entire VeloNews cru, of course, but I'm pro technology...there's no use pretending this technology doesn't exist.
Seriously? The UCI pretends all sorts of technology doesn't exist. Fairings, Sub-15lb bikes, certain types of aerobars...etc. They can easily pretend radios don't exist. They're really good at pretending.

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Originally Posted by timmhaan View Post
nothing... but if they're using signs, then wouldn't it help the other riders as well? kinda like when the neutral moto comes by with the time gaps written on a chalk board.
It wouldn't help the break up the road, when Milram/CSC/Silence-Lotto/whoever get on the front after seeing a dude on a ladder with a 5'x10' dry erase board telling them the break has 4:00 with 45km to go.
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I bet it doesn't happen.
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Originally Posted by Duke of Kent View Post
It wouldn't help the break up the road, when Milram/CSC/Silence-Lotto/whoever get on the front after seeing a dude on a ladder with a 5'x10' dry erase board telling them the break has 4:00 with 45km to go.
You're taking one arrow out of the quiver. Granted there's still other arrows.

Put another way: you're in the break. You can either tell the field where you are every second, or once every few minutes. Your choice?
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Interesting idea. But remember, this is professional cycling...they'd find a way to get around it.
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Don't know if it would make much difference or not in terms of making it more interesting or exciting but I do think it's a bunch of BS that he is considering that for the 2008 tour.
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^^ should he consider it for the 2007 tour?
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I'd love to see one of the classics go back to the pre-radio days...maybe start with Paris-Tours, a flat race where long breaks are often reeled in for a sprint finish.
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Originally Posted by gfrance View Post
Interesting idea. But remember, this is professional cycling...they'd find a way to get around it.
I think it's a great idea, but with tv in the cars, cell phones, etc... they will find a way of communicating.

You'll see a lot of frequent call ups of team cars.
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Got my fingers crossed on this one.
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I really like this idea. I will watch TdF this year for sure (Haven't watched it for the past few years)
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
I think it's a great idea, but with tv in the cars, cell phones, etc... they will find a way of communicating.

You'll see a lot of frequent call ups of team cars.
Exactly!

All the racers have GPS transponders. They can be tracked every meter of every stage. You can't prevent every manner of relaying that info to the riders. (How about Bolle coming up with a heads-up display on their sunglasses on which text messages can be displayed?). Believe me, teams will find a way.

Banning radios to stop communication is like banning condoms to stop kids from having sex. It's a pipedream folks.

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