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Trek dumps LeMond

Old 07-05-08, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
No. He did not. Road bike sales were falling in the last two years of his career.
Road bike sales and the Tour de France TV ratings are separate issues. The Tour started getting interest and TV exposure in places like India and China during the Lance Era. And the Lance Effect certainly boosted road bike sales and USA Cycling membership in the USA. Big time. I don't know what happened in Taiwan.

Doping scandals are killing pro cycling. I do think these new teams with aggressively transparent internal doping controls (like Slipstream) are a blueprint for pro sports going forward. You won't be able to get a title sponsor to sign up for the ten million bucks a year it takes to sponsor a big time cycling team in Europe without that.

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Originally Posted by patentcad
Road bike sales and the Tour de France TV ratings are separate issues. The Tour started getting interest and TV exposure in places like India and China during the Lance Era. And the Lance Effect certainly boosted road bike sales and USA Cycling membership in the USA. Big time. I don't know what happened in Taiwan.
LAs effect on the popularity of road riding in the US is not under dispute. I agree with you 100%.

My view of cycling is not limited to Taiwan. I work with companies from Asia, Europe and the US. My view is global.

As for interest in India and China could this also be related to increasing incomes for young, educated, single people? Or one of many other factors that only historians will be able to pinpoint? It's impossible for either one of us to say, definitively, what caused this and if it was a blip or a lasting trend.

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Doping scandals are killing pro cycling. I do think these new teams with aggressively transparent internal doping controls (like Slipstream) are a blueprint for pro sports going forward. You won't be able to get a title sponsor to sign up for the ten million bucks a year it takes to sponsor a big time cycling team in Europe without that.
I'd agree here, too.
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Originally Posted by rusto
They'd have to yell pretty loud for me to hear them if they WEREN'T in the US.
Yarr!
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Whatever your view of Armstrong, I strongly feel his era is past, his legacy is better viewed in a positive light, and we're all better off moving forward. Demonizing Armstrong seems counterproductive and not only pointless, but destructive to pro cycling in general. I just don't get where anyone is going with that, least of all Greg Lemond, whose conduct will cost him more money than anyone else. And if you tell me it's not about the money, what is it about? The 'truth' that will never really surface or be proven? I just can't grasp what the point of all this would be.

If I were Armstrong I'd carry any doping secrets to my friggin grave. Without any doubt or question. And I'd never lose a wink of sleep over that either, for many reasons that are bigger than cycling, pro sports, and anyone's personal sense of outrage.
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I have posted it before... Lemond is bitter he missed out on EPO during the last year of his career. He went from being top dog to just about DFL. Dont blame his "sickness" either because if you look at other big boys of the day like Hampsten they suffered the same fate the last year of Lemonds career.

Its like the peleton flipped DFL to first place overnight... Was the start of the EPO era.

Far as Lance goes..... Do all you Lance heads REALLY think he didnt dope? Everybody (and I mean everybody) that was his top rivals have either been busted or been involved with doping scandals. And you want me to believe that Lance... a non-doper.... was so good he beat all those dopers while staying clean? Please

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Old 07-05-08, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FlashUNC
But I believe Bob's point, and as some others have pointed out, is that this renaissance happened almost exclusively in the United States.

Its tough for me to see why a Swiss rider, or Turkish or anyone outside the U.S. really, would buy a Trek just because Lance won the Tour. I can see how Lance's story could motivate people to ride, but I'm inclined to think this was a more American-centric phenomenon.

Of course, CSC is the biggest team around these days, and those darn Cervelos keep popping up all over the road now, so what do I know?

Anyone have ideas on industry data we could look at to get some idea on what actually happened with sales, rather than just wagging a wild finger about in the air? We won't be able to show a link to a "Lance effect" or not, but we can at least see if there were any large spikes.
A quick search yields:

According to the March/First Quarter 2003 RDC Analysis from the National Bicycle Dealers' Association of America, US IBD sales of new bicycles were down 14 percent for the first quarter of 2003 compared to 2002.

https://www.bikebiz.com/news/23810/US...are-down-again

Or,

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/downloads/TradeJan07.pdf

This shows and increase in imports from 2004 (thru September) but a slight falling off in 2006 from 2005. Road bike exports from Taiwan were down 10%. The problem with this data is that it is imports only and mixes 27" and 700c, so all of those Trek sales wouldn't be in there.



From my perspective here (10 years) there were big concerns with Taiwan and Chinese factories because they were running far below capacity from 2004-2006. Exports (in units) were down although per unit value was up.

Since 2006 many factories have been running at full, or near full capacity. The Shimano production shortfalls in the last 2 years are evidence of this. This shortfall is driven completely by demand (according to Shimano) and Shimano sales, and profits, are up. These are global numbers, not just US numbers.

This is in stark contrast to the Lance era when many in the industry were worried about going belly up.
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Fair or not Armstrong will (probably) be viewed as part of "the EPO era" of cycling and his accomplishments not given full credit. The same is happening here in the US with baseball. Is every homerun hitter and fastball thrower on HGH and/or steroids? No. But enough of them demonstrably were that the accomplishments of all for the last decade plus will be treated with suspicion.

Do I think Armstrong doped? See my "catechism a page or two back; but it doesn't really matter. Future sport historians will be suspicious of most "extraordinary" accomplishments that took place in the 1990s through at least today.

I don't "study" Armstrong (there's an entire cult for that ) but I get the impression that he won't really care if future sports writers credit him or not, he'll do whatever he's doing and move on. That's a good thing IMO.


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Does anyone know how this seperation will effect the warranty on the LeMond brand frames?
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Originally Posted by Diesel
Does anyone know how this seperation will effect the warranty on the LeMond brand frames?
I just got one of the last Poprads im my size - damn nice bike too. The shop guarantees it just like any other. It's shall we say grandfathered in.

Of course, you will want to ask your shop
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Old 07-16-08, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel
Does anyone know how this seperation will effect the warranty on the LeMond brand frames?
I've been worrying about this for a while now.
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Old 07-16-08, 02:34 PM
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Trek will back the warranty on new Lemond bikes sold through authorized dealers...for the lifetime of the original owner.

And, Trek is not going to throw away the investment they have made in Lemond bikes. Look for bikes that look identical to Lemond bikes coming out under the Klein and Trek brands.
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Trek will back the warranty on new Lemond bikes sold through authorized dealers...for the lifetime of the original owner.

And, Trek is not going to throw away the investment they have made in Lemond bikes. Look for bikes that look identical to Lemond bikes coming out under the Klein and Trek brands.
Ah, Klein. I miss them. I had a pre-Trek Attitude MTB that was one of the best bikes I've ever owned. They weren't the comfiest beasts on the road/trail, but they had style and were quite good at being nimble and fast.... Still kinda kick myself for getting rid of that one.
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Originally Posted by Diesel
Does anyone know how this seperation will effect the warranty on the LeMond brand frames?
When Trek and Rolf parted ways, Trek was responsible for warranty service on the Rolf wheels they branded and sold, and Rolf created new names for it's products that were sold post separation.

I would be suprised if this is any different.

That said, when the supply of new model year product dries up, trek may have to use Trek products to replace LeMond products which is no longer available.
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Trek will back the warranty on new Lemond bikes sold through authorized dealers...for the lifetime of the original owner.

And, Trek is not going to throw away the investment they have made in Lemond bikes. Look for bikes that look identical to Lemond bikes coming out under the Klein and Trek brands.
Don't all Trek, LeMond and Klein bikes already look identical?
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Originally Posted by ravenmore
Its not really if you like him or not. His popularity helped spur bike sales especially in the US. That's good for the business.
Not necessarily true, maybe in TX. I asked this question to the owners and employees of 2 of my favorite bikeshops in NM. The answer was no. The poularity of MTB contributed to more bike sales. They say the X games did it. Road bikes -- people are getting fatter and because of guilt.
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Originally Posted by nycphotography
Don't all Trek, LeMond and Klein bikes already look identical?
No.
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Who knows where I can get a Lemond Victoire 61cm new?
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Originally Posted by wfrogge
I have posted it before... Lemond is bitter he missed out on EPO during the last year of his career. He went from being top dog to just about DFL. Dont blame his "sickness" either because if you look at other big boys of the day like Hampsten they suffered the same fate the last year of Lemonds career.

Its like the peleton flipped DFL to first place overnight... Was the start of the EPO era.

Far as Lance goes..... Do all you Lance heads REALLY think he didnt dope? Everybody (and I mean everybody) that was his top rivals have either been busted or been involved with doping scandals. And you want me to believe that Lance... a non-doper.... was so good he beat all those dopers while staying clean? Please

And some of his team mates too. What I could never figure out is how you go from a nobody; nearly die of cancer to the greatest cyclist who ever lived? No, strike that, Eddy is still the greatest, because he won more then just the TDF in a given year.
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Are the new Gary Fisher road bikes just rebadged Lemonds?
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Originally Posted by azdroptop
No big surprise. He came to the carbon game too late and sales aren't great. I've owned two Lemonds and they were great bikes, but there just isn't anything exciting about the brand.
That's really not Lemond's fault. He's basically at Trek's mercy as far as what they'll make.
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