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2200
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Sora
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Tiagra
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105
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Ultegra
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31.12%
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Best "Bang for the Buck" Shimano Group

Old 04-23-08, 10:28 PM
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Best "Bang for the Buck" Shimano Group

Just for kicks: What's the best value vs quality Shimano component group?
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Old 04-23-08, 11:15 PM
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For the average joe, meaning non-racer it would have to be the 105. It seems to be the best of both worlds. And it also gives the option to start racing, if you really want to.
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Old 04-23-08, 11:49 PM
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I voted Sora, though really I bet it's 2200. They all shift the gears, they just get slightly more reliable and lighter as you move up the line.
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Old 04-24-08, 12:12 AM
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10 spd 105s perform very well!
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Originally Posted by somebadlemonade View Post
For the average joe, meaning non-racer it would have to be the 105. It seems to be the best of both worlds. And it also gives the option to start racing, if you really want to.
Your groupset has nothing to do with your racing ability.

You might drop a chain, dog fang will stop that from happening. I know someone who races an intro category with sora, she does fine and will move up.

Tiagra shifts fine and so does sora if dialed in.

I've kept up with guys on custom serottas while riding my 84 trek steel frame in crits. It's the engine.

Beyond 105, it's weight.
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Originally Posted by somebadlemonade View Post
For the average joe, meaning non-racer it would have to be the 105. It seems to be the best of both worlds. And it also gives the option to start racing, if you really want to.
Because they won't let you race if you have anything less than 105 right?
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Say what you want it's an opinion, you got yours and I have mine. Hell you can race with a 30LBs. mountain bike if you want. In all seriousness the amount of money you spend in a bike can be earned back with the reliability and longevity. If you start out with 105 you never have to upgrade to race in any of the higher levels, but not the highest. And I doubt you are worried about money then, you're going to want the lightest things you can get your hands on.

But then again I could be wrong. The old saying you get what you pay for. If you are just trying to figure out if you even like cycling, what's the point of asking such a question? If that is the question get a Sora or Tiagra groupset bike.
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Originally Posted by somebadlemonade View Post
Say what you want it's an opinion, you got yours and I have mine. Hell you can race with a 30LBs. mountain bike if you want. In all seriousness the amount of money you spend in a bike can be earned back with the reliability and longevity. If you start out with 105 you never have to upgrade to race in any of the higher levels, but not the highest. And I doubt you are worried about money then, you're going to want the lightest things you can get your hands on.

But then again I could be wrong. The old saying you get what you pay for. If you are just trying to figure out if you even like cycling, what's the point of asking such a question? If that is the question get a Sora or Tiagra groupset bike.
Some people who don't like to race want stuff that feels good.
Some people who like to race realize that they need enough to get by and the rest is their own ability because something can break if crashed.

What I have put in bold above is simply and utterly false, especially if you race. More expensive doesn't mean longer lasting.
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I haven't voted but I think it's probably a toss up between Sora, Tiagra, 105. Sora shifters have reach adjustment. Tiagra are cheap but allow function similar to the expensive sets, and I've never heard anyone who had 105 or Tiagra say, "Man, I really wish I'd spent more to get Ultegra or Dura Ace."

Everyone I know seems really happy with Tiagra and/or 105.

The racing arguments seem pretty silly to me, because most amateur races I know of that are of any substantial length are typically decided by minutes, not seconds. Reliability is a different story, and I'd probably chalk that up to 105.
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Originally Posted by Arrowtalon View Post
I haven't voted but I think it's probably a toss up between Sora, Tiagra, 105. Sora shifters have reach adjustment. Tiagra are cheap but allow function similar to the expensive sets, and I've never heard anyone who had 105 or Tiagra say, "Man, I really wish I'd spent more to get Ultegra or Dura Ace."

Everyone I know seems really happy with Tiagra and/or 105.

The racing arguments seem pretty silly to me, because most amateur races I know of that are of any substantial length are typically decided by minutes, not seconds. Reliability is a different story, and I'd probably chalk that up to 105.
Only thing I'd fix is reliability is chalked up to keeping your Drivetrain tuned. Sora will need more maintenance than tiagra or 105, but if any of them are dialed in, then they'll work just fine.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
Only thing I'd fix is reliability is chalked up to keeping your Drivetrain tuned. Sora will need more maintenance than tiagra or 105, but if any of them are dialed in, then they'll work just fine.
I agree with you when talking about relatively new parts. But with aged parts I think its a bit more apparent. Springs wear out, etc. Maybe I should have said "durability" rather than "reliability".
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Originally Posted by Arrowtalon View Post
I agree with you when talking about relatively new parts. But with aged parts I think its a bit more apparent. Springs wear out, etc. Maybe I should have said "durability" rather than "reliability".
I'm not sure about that either.

Sora will use heavier parts, and probably a lot of steel in its build. So it'll likely be more durable than lighter parts that use Al instead.

It's heavier and isn't as 'smooth' in shifting but will get the job done.

I think the shifters wear out faster though.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
I'm not sure about that either.

Sora will use heavier parts, and probably a lot of steel in its build. So it'll likely be more durable than lighter parts that use Al instead.

It's heavier and isn't as 'smooth' in shifting but will get the job done.

I think the shifters wear out faster though.
I notice wear most in anything with a spring. The derailleurs, for example. I have an old steelie with a Tourney rear Der. It works great. I've ridden it 1000 miles or so, and its still good, but I've had to keep tweaking it because the springs are slowly buying the farm. Up to 105, the material quality seems better.

My brother did suggest that they (manufacturers) may design things this way on purpose (with more play) to give the illusion of things wearing out so people would buy the "better" components. I thought that was an interesting comment.
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Ultegras.....a few coin more from 105 and you virtually have DA's little bro....at half its price.
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I voted 105 because it is a nice solid 10 speed group. Tiagra if you want an awesome 9 speed group. Look at shimano's website. The tiagra is VERY nice.
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Shimano's thumb shifters are pretty bad. I vote 105.
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I'd mix and match like so...

shifters 105
brakes 105
hubs tiagra for 32h>, ultegra for 28<
cranks tiagra
cassette 105
rd 105
fd ultegra
bb ultegra
chain 105
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Clearly it's DuraAce. If I had bought 105 or Ultegra, I'd have had to add the cost (however minimal) of that gruppo to the cost of the DA I'd replace it with because it would always bug me that I didn't have the Top Dog. In fact, if I didn't like DA shifting action better than Record, I'd have replaced my DA with Record by now. A strange affliction, I know, but I come from the world of German sportscars and ALL bike-related shwag seems so cheap that I go crazy.

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I voted 105.

If you can get the bike on sale, then 105 cant be beat since you can get a bike just above entry level MSRP prices that is fully equipt.

If you are paying full MSRP, then I would say Ultegra, since you are already spending over $1000 for the bike and for just a fraction more can get some completely awesome components.
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The Tiagra shifters on my touring bike have been great, and I think for the average person, are probably the best bang for buck, and feel leaps and bounds ahead of the Sora's I've tried.
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Tiagra. It's pretty underrated.
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Originally Posted by ac29593 View Post
I voted 105.

If you can get the bike on sale, then 105 cant be beat since you can get a bike just above entry level MSRP prices that is fully equipt.

If you are paying full MSRP, then I would say Ultegra, since you are already spending over $1000 for the bike and for just a fraction more can get some completely awesome components.
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Ultegras.....a few coin more from 105 and you virtually have DA's little bro....at half its price.
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I've been really happy with my 105 Group set. It can take a beating and keep on goin'.
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Originally Posted by NoGaBiker View Post
Clearly it's DuraAce. If I had bought 105 or Ultegra, I'd have had to add the cost (however minimal) of that gruppo to the cost of the DA I'd replace it with because it would always bug me that I didn't have the Top Dog. In fact, if I didn't like DA shifting action better than Record, I'd have replaced my DA with Record by now. A strange affliction, I know, but I come from the world of German sportscars and ALL bike-related shwag seems so cheap that I go crazy.

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