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crghill 05-13-08 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by bob the nailer (Post 6689874)
you should know that statistically the person most likely to be injured by that weapon is...... you guessed it, you.

Care to back up your statistics with a source?

Ruger LCP in 380. Weighs 9.40 ounces and is 5.16" x 3.6" which fits nicely in a jersey pocket.

RT 05-13-08 09:31 PM


Originally Posted by schnee (Post 6686396)
This is one situation where being 6'-3" and 260 actually helps on a bike.

Thug-like guys give me a wide berth when I'm riding sometimes.

Amen to this. Built like a defenseman and attitude to match if you even look at my bike crooked.

wrote4luck 05-13-08 09:32 PM

I carry this sometimes. Would cut a creep to pieces in seconds.

http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecent...es/em12bts.jpg

prendrefeu 05-13-08 09:37 PM

Wow...

I live in the Korea Town district of Los Angeles. Specifically, South of Wilshire - if you know the area, you know what that means. Remember the Rodney King riots? People were killed about a block from my place. Gangs? I've got 4 that vie for territory on my streets, despite the (very, very slow) gentrification. My garage door gets tagged on a bi-weekly basis (which is surprisingly good).

That being said, I also don't drive to my training routes. Malibu? It's a 30 mile ride out there, sure, but I ride in and out of K-Town all the time... whether on the commute or in full on roadie gear. I take rides 24/7 and have never, in 5 years of living here, felt threatened.

Compare and contrast, go ahead...

fthomas 05-13-08 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by uspspro (Post 6687252)

Illegal for personal use in California unless it is one of the new high pressure tire pumps!

jupiter422 05-14-08 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by bob the nailer (Post 6689874)
And for those of you tempted to carry a weapon, you should know that statistically the person most likely to be injured by that weapon is...... you guessed it, you.

Care to give a reputable citation?

Oh that's right, I forgot. There isn't one.

PunkMartyr 05-14-08 04:37 AM

Two things on my mind. First, file a police report on the bike chase incident if you can recall any information on their identities (clothing, bike, height, build, etc).

The other thing. Let me put it like this. A guy recently told me a story about two pit bulls attacking him, he beat one of them unconscious with a pipe and the other backed off. You did the right thing, it was a fight or flight situation and you made good on flight. Its rare you won't be able to escape as a bike is versatile, but have a plan just in case.

My U-lock comes to mind. I flatted a couple of months back and just walked it home as I was about a mile away and it was dark out. One hand firmly on the bike the other clenching my U lock the whole way home. A lot of it is intimidation factor. You look like easy prey they don't think twice. They start to say something like "let me see your bike" "hey man can I talk to you a second" and you are yelling "NO THANK YOU SIR I'M NOT INTERESTED" holding a u lock they tend to back off.

gabdy 05-14-08 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by uspspro (Post 6687252)


Is that legal in the US for citizens to own? America rocks, anyone want to sponsor me?

A spare bike chain could work well. Wrap a quarter or less of the chain around your knuckles, leave the rest of the chain dangling. Good for striking from distance and good for dirty boxing. C02 canister in the other hand. Perfect for keeping the knuckles stiff and allows for minimal give. Also, don't need excuses for carrying any of that when cycling.

gabdy 05-14-08 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by waterrockets (Post 6690282)
If anything like that goes down with me or my friends, I'll have to start buying and carrying guns again. Big holster, outside the jersey (so it's not a "concealed" weapon).

I'm glad you made it out the other side. Keeping your head about you is a good thing. There's no way some gang-banger is going to keep up with a trained cyclist.

Another alternative... I had some kids playing chicken with me one day, so I opened up a full sprint right at them, showing teeth and grunting at 38mph...

As Rick James says "Cocaine is a hell of a drug" or Meth for that matter.

brad06ag 05-14-08 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by neo****zy (Post 6687183)
I learned growing up in a tough neighborhood in LA to just ignore and just go about your ways when dealing with these punks. If you get stopped and they threaten you with a weapon, just give them what they want, keep your mouth shut, and don't stare. Your life isn't worth gambling over money or valuables you may have on you. The only exception to this rule is when my wife and daughters are threatened. Then it is no-holds barred, baby! Daddy is taking the laws into his own hands!

Your life isn't worth your valuables, but there is still a strong chance that they will kill you after they take everything just so there is no witness to turn them in. Many people have been robbed and then told to turn around and are then shot. I am not comfortable with that chance, so I will carry.


Originally Posted by Rex G (Post 6687439)
As for tactics in dealing with gang-bangers, there is simply nothing that works every time with all of them. Being meek will cause some of them to torment you more, to goad you into "being a man," while responding aggressively may or may not trigger rage. A display of firepower will not always work, especially if they are packing iron themselves.

A display of firepower is not a good deterrent, especially like you said if they are packing themselves. If you pull your piece, you shouldn't just be displaying as a deterrent, you should be pulling it with full knowledge that you are about to use deadly force. In some cases, if you are not yet allowed by law to use deadly force, you could get in trouble for brandishing when you show a display of firepower, so its something to be very careful with.


Originally Posted by gabdy (Post 6691510)
Is that legal in the US for citizens to own? America rocks, anyone want to sponsor me?

Yes those are perfectly legal to own in many of the US states. However, in many states, it is illegal to actually carry and you can get in a lot of trouble for having/using one. In texas, I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun, but I cannont legally carry a baton. In fact, I would get in quite a bit of trouble for carrying one, even though I can have a loaded Glock on me. Other states have concealed weapons licenses that 'may' allow for it (I'm not familiar with their laws, so I won't say whether its possible or not)

superslomo 05-14-08 08:27 AM

For some of us the discussion of concealed weapons is entirely irrelevant. Unless I become a judge or a peace officer tomorrow morning, I'm not going to be carrying a firearm anywhere...

I would suggest maybe avoiding areas that are low on foot or car traffic. If I've learned anything in almost 33 years in the big city, it's that the empty blocks are the ones you avoid. It's safer to be on a crowded and thugged out block than to be somewhere where you see no one. Bike paths can fill that role unsettlingly well after dark.

prendrefeu 05-14-08 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by superslomo (Post 6692193)
I would suggest maybe avoiding areas that are low on foot or car traffic. If I've learned anything in almost 33 years in the big city, it's that the empty blocks are the ones you avoid. It's safer to be on a crowded and thugged out block than to be somewhere where you see no one. Bike paths can fill that role unsettlingly well after dark.

+1 million.

bob the nailer 05-14-08 05:49 PM

that information came from my brother, the district attorney for pontotoc county, oklahoma. I believe him. where exactly he got it no i cannot tell you.

spry 05-14-08 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by pathdoc (Post 6687294)
I get yelled at all the time while riding here in Texas. It's still surprises me everytime. Where is all this angst against cyclists coming from?

Wear a 10 gallon hat on your next ride and they,ll figure your just a recently convicted DWI cowpoke.

WHOOOSSHHH... 05-14-08 06:20 PM

Carry a Bull-whip on your handlebars..Ever seen a person hit with one...priceless!!

brianlt228 05-14-08 06:59 PM

how true
 
Yes, if your fight to defend yourself and your property....you may end up in a hospital. However, go out on a ride and the same may occur to you without the opportunity to defend yourself. 900 accidents involving bikes and cars in NC alone last year. The last was in the News and Observer here (local paper) by a drunk driver no less. Which is the greater risk? You take that very chance every day when you leave your house. To allow yourself to be taken or taken advantage of by an untrianed thug only adds to the chance that something happens to you. However, by being properly trained in defending yourself, you remove that other persons ability to do that to you. By the way....my other two hobbies are golf and cagefighting. Also, note...i said "properly" trained.

Kragg 05-14-08 08:03 PM

I NEVER ride at night. Period. Traffic, road debris, a**holes. Just not worth it.


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