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Leaving Crank Brothers?

Old 05-30-08, 08:35 AM
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Leaving Crank Brothers?

Yeah, I know, another pedal thread .

My right Quattro SL pedal blew-up on me during the last ride. It's half-way to just being an egg-beater on the right side, so it's time to replace. These are the only clipless pedals I've ever used, so I'm slightly apprehensive about going to the more-popular road styles, but they've got to be as widely used for a reason, right? I think the Crank Brothers pedals did a good job getting me acclimated into the clipless pedal world, but I'd like to try something else.

I'm in the ~$100 pedal market (Keo Classic, Ultegra, low-end Speedplay, or another pair of Quattros.) Just wondering how much different it would be, and which type I'll have the easiest time transitioning to?
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i love my speedplay pedals
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Can I add to the OP's question with a request for anyone's input about transitioning from walkable/MTB shoes and pedals to clickity-clack roadie shoes and pedals?
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Honestly, I would say either Keos or Ultegras- they both have a larger platform and because of that, better power transfer (maybe?) and are way more comfortable for longer rides (undoubtedly.) I would say Keos over Shimano just because they're poly platforms instead of metal and are a good chunk lighter.
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Honestly, I would say either Keos or Ultegras- they both have a larger platform and because of that, better power transfer (maybe?) and are way more comfortable for longer rides (undoubtedly.) I would say Keos over Shimano just because they're poly platforms instead of metal and are a good chunk lighter.
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Though I prefer Shimano for exactly the same reason that theextremist04 prefers Keos - the metal platform, while slightly heavier, will be more durable and stiffer. Between the two pedals though, the clip-in mechanism is exactly the same; enough so that I believe that Shimano licensed the design from Look. Also, the Shimano cleats are easier to walk around on and are better designed (IMO) than the Keo cleats.
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Old 05-30-08, 09:24 AM
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I'll give you that they're more comfortable to walk in, but honestly, I know guys that have put thousands of miles on their Keos with no problems. And the metal platform of the Shimanos changes the center of balance and makes it easier to clip in, though I think it takes more force, even loosened all the way.
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Old 05-30-08, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff View Post
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Though I prefer Shimano for exactly the same reason that theextremist04 prefers Keos - the metal platform, while slightly heavier, will be more durable and stiffer. Between the two pedals though, the clip-in mechanism is exactly the same; enough so that I believe that Shimano licensed the design from Look. Also, the Shimano cleats are easier to walk around on and are better designed (IMO) than the Keo cleats.
+1 - Shimano produces the pedals under license from Look. I would also agree that between the two I would suggest the Ultegras right now. PBK usually has amazing deals on them with free shipping.

Most on here know that I am a Speedplay advocate, but I consider pedals to be like saddles and handlebars....they are personal connections to the bike and completely a personal choice....no one size will ever fit all.

On the Speedplay side they do offer a great pedal, but I am not as fond of their low end offerings. They use 1 bushing in place of one of the bearings they use in the higher offerings.

Look type pedals are, IMHO, one of the best road specific pedal platforms to try. As I mentioned I believe that the current Ultegra design outperforms the current Keo designs.
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I loved my Keo's but they were terrible to walk in. I still used them until one day I was out riding and had to stop at a stop sign. The asphalt was real smooth and when I put my foot down it slipped right out from underneath me. I didn't fall but I came down pretty hard on the top tube and then was able to catch myself. I decided then to try the Ultegra's and haven't had any regrets.
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Originally Posted by Ray Dockrey View Post
I loved my Keo's but they were terrible to walk in. I still used them until one day I was out riding and had to stop at a stop sign. The asphalt was real smooth and when I put my foot down it slipped right out from underneath me. I didn't fall but I came down pretty hard on the top tube and then was able to catch myself. I decided then to try the Ultegra's and haven't had any regrets.
You can avoid that problem by putting the heel pad down first. Your cleats will last longer as well...
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You can avoid that problem by putting the heel pad down first. Your cleats will last longer as well...
Some carbon shoes don't have heel pads in the traditional sense, and some heel pads are so hard that you can end up tweeking your ankle when you land. This is from experience with cheaper Shimano shoes. My Sidis have a soft heel pad and aren't so bad. I don't recommend putting your heel down first. Bad form and can seriously get you injured. Humans have toes and an arched foot for a reason.
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Old 05-30-08, 12:11 PM
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I ride $50 eggbeaters (with a nice stiff carbon road shoe) and there are no hotspots nor discomfort. As an added bonus, you can walk on the road cleat all you want with no fear of wearing it down.

Power transfer is not going to be related to the size of the platform unless your shoe is insufficiently stiff.

The platform size on a speedplay pedal is pretty much exactly the same as it is for an eggbeater. Cleat size on the shoe is about the same, too.

The crank bros cleats are lighter and much cheaper to replace. They also don't get clogged up by sand and mud.

In short, spend money on nice shoes and just about any pedal will be great.
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I have KEO Sprints. I like them alot.
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I'll have to say the speedplay zero cleats are way more durable for walking on than keos or ultegras. Metal plated bottom instead of rubber or plastic.

And no, crank bro egg beaters and speedplay pedals don't have the same amount of platform size. Speedplay with the cleat has a larger surface area while the egg beaters with cleat have about 1/3~1/4.

I've got both, and I like the speedplay zero over crank brother egg beaters for road rides.

But why are you putting your foot down in sand and mud with speedplays?
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long time Crank Brother user, switched to LOOK Keo's and haven't looked back. Much more solid feeling connection.
the cleat covers work great when you know you'll be doing more than minimal walking.
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Just got a pair of Keo Carbon's from Probikekit on sale for ~$135 a little more than a week ago back. They came with the new grip cleat which I really dig. As far as pedals go, they're pretty top notch in all respects, but I only have a hundred or so miles on them.
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Originally Posted by AEO View Post
I'll have to say the speedplay zero cleats are way more durable for walking on than keos or ultegras. Metal plated bottom instead of rubber or plastic.

And no, crank bro egg beaters and speedplay pedals don't have the same amount of platform size. Speedplay with the cleat has a larger surface area while the egg beaters with cleat have about 1/3~1/4.
I'm talking about the crank bros 3-hole road cleat, not the mtn bike cleat. here: https://crankbrothers.com/3hole_cleat.php?itemId=

It 's definitely not 1/3 - 1/4 the size of the speedplay cleat. Near as I can tell, it's almost exactly the same size.

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I've got both, and I like the speedplay zero over crank brother egg beaters for road rides.

But why are you putting your foot down in sand and mud with speedplays?
I'm not. I don't have any speedplays. But somehow, my friends who do have them occasionally end up with clogged cleats. Sometimes, you have to pull off the road for a bit, I guess. They still like the speedplays. No regrets so far as I can tell.

My point is that the shoe matters a lot more than the pedal for power transfer.
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I'm not. I don't have any speedplays. But somehow, my friends who do have them occasionally end up with clogged cleats. Sometimes, you have to pull off the road for a bit, I guess.
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Originally Posted by Brian Ratliff View Post
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Though I prefer Shimano for exactly the same reason that theextremist04 prefers Keos - the metal platform, while slightly heavier, will be more durable and stiffer. Between the two pedals though, the clip-in mechanism is exactly the same; enough so that I believe that Shimano licensed the design from Look. Also, the Shimano cleats are easier to walk around on and are better designed (IMO) than the Keo cleats.

Shimano licensed the design for the old PD-7401s in the early 90s from Look. The SPD-SL is their own.
As a former "Look squeak" victim I'm happy to report that the SPD-SLs don't squeak, and the new steel wear plated ones don't wear out or get loose like the plastic wear plates, or the Looks did.

The cleats are easier to walk on as you note.
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How old are the pedals? They have GREAT customer support and might send you a new one.
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ah, the road cleat version. In that case it only feels less secure than road cleats with a higher release tension.


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Originally Posted by ericm979 View Post
Shimano licensed the design for the old PD-7401s in the early 90s from Look. The SPD-SL is their own.
As a former "Look squeak" victim I'm happy to report that the SPD-SLs don't squeak, and the new steel wear plated ones don't wear out or get loose like the plastic wear plates, or the Looks did.

The cleats are easier to walk on as you note.
Well, I cannot say for certain, but if you look at the clip mechanism for the SPD-SL and the Keo next to each other, they look identical to my eye. I am fairly certain that Look designed the clip mechanism and licensed it to Shimano, and the two companies only differ by the body and bearing/axle design. It is obviously not unprecedented for these two companies to be working together on pedals.

I am also a victim of the delta cleat "Look squeak". In fact, this is exactly why I replaced my pedals. I got done with a long ride one day a couple weeks ago, was finally sick of it and said "screw it" and went straight to the Performance shop and bought me some new pedals. I figured I got my money's worth out of the Looks after 5 or 6 years with them. Those pedals sit on my track bike now.
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I used MTB pedals last year and this year made the switch to road pedals. I first tried the Look Keo Classics. I never could get the hang of clipping in to these pedals. They were also not very good for walking.

Now I have the Speedplay X5 pedals. I think these are great pedals. They are two sided so they are easy to clip into and out of. They also allow for a lot of float, which is strange at first, but I really like it now.

What has been said about the cleats getting clogged is true. I made the mistake ONCE of putting my foot down in what I thought was dry dirt. It was only dry on top. That is a mistake I will only make one time.
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I recently (last weekend) picked up some look-style pedals to try in lieu of the crank bro's I've been using for a year. I've been using mtb shoes and the crank bros are fantastic with them, but once I went to road shoes, they felt wobbly so I thought I'd give LOOKs a try (didn't hurt that Performance had their cheapie copies on sale for even cheaper).

Because I also commute in the same shoes, I unclip alot in traffic. The unclipping is a pain, especially compared to the crank bros. But I do feel much more connected to the crank and I feel like there is more power transfered.
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Yea... They're not made to unclip; quite the opposite, in fact. It can ruin your day if you unclip in the middle of a sprint. My commute bike has eggbeaters on it for that very reason. Well, that and the recessed cleat so I can walk normally.
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Originally Posted by hyunelan2 View Post
My right Quattro SL pedal...
Mrs. Ritterview, has been afflicted with clipless pedal terror. We started out with Look's, and she was terrified. Tried Speedplays, and she liked them okay until she clipped my rear wheel and went down, blaming her inability to unclip for the severity of her fall. She replaced her Speedplays reverting to clip platform pedals. I had her try the Eggbeaters from my mountain bike, and she loves them.

I need to get the Eggbeaters back on my mountain bike, and get Mrs. Ritterview road pedals. I am wondering whether the Quattro SL pedal is as easy to clip in and out of as are the Eggbeaters?

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