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Vittoria Evo Corsa CX Open Vs. Conti GP4000

Old 06-14-08, 04:28 PM
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Vittoria Evo Corsa CX Open Vs. Conti GP4000

Hi All,

Looking for some advice from the net.gurus.

Late last year I upgraded the tyres on my Felt F55 to the Vittoria Open Evo Corsa CX. I have to say I absolutely *loved* the ride feel. Felt like I was riding on butter, and I'm convinced it added speed to my ride.

However..... I have to say the number of punctures rocketed upwards when I was riding it.

Since then, I have installed the Conti (Red) GP4000 on my Cervelo.. they seem solid as anything and have had no punctures at all, but the ride feel is totally different.

Is it worth my getting a new set of Evo Corsa's? Are the 2008 versions more puncture resistant? Is there another tyre which has the same ride feel as the Corsa CX but is more resilient?

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Old 06-14-08, 04:37 PM
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i'm curious to try the new PR3. always felt the PR2's weren't real grippy, but that's supposedly changed. next on the rims are some Torelli handmade clinchers which are supposed to rival or beat the ride feel of the open corsa's.
i'd also like to try some Schwalbe Ultremo's and some Maxxis Courchavels....
i agree though, so far the CX's are the smoothest rolling clinchers but the wear factor is no bueno.
i'm running some Rubino Pros right now and am pretty surprised at how well they ride. personally i think they're grippier than PR2's and way more durable than CX's, but they don't have that silky smooth feel.
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Originally Posted by Surferbruce View Post
i'm curious to try the new PR3. always felt the PR2's weren't real grippy, but that's supposedly changed. next on the rims are some Torelli handmade clinchers which are supposed to rival or beat the ride feel of the open corsa's.
i'd also like to try some
Schwalbe Ultremo's and some Maxxis Courchavels....
i agree though, so far the CX's are the smoothest rolling clinchers but the wear factor is no bueno.
i'm running some Rubino Pros right now and am pretty surprised at how well they ride. personally i think they're grippier than PR2's and way more durable than CX's, but they don't have that silky smooth feel.
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Originally Posted by MrGlass70 View Post
"the number of punctures rocketed upwards"when I was riding it.
The Corsas are beautiful to ride but very vulnerable to punctures especially in the sidewall. I just put 1000km on a set of Pro Race 3s and have no complaints but the ride is not equal to the Corsas. Grip was fine on the PR3 but I changed them because they are so f&%$ing tight on the rims and I am shooting about 50% getting them on the rim without pinching the tube. I haven't had a flat yet with them but with my luck I need to carry 3 spare tubes in order to make it home in the event I puncture. FWIW, the Rubinos are a big step down from both the Corsas and the PR3s.
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Vitts just ride better than almost anything this side of a Vitt tubular. There's no comparison between an OC CX and any Conti offering. The PR3s are nice, but they just aren't as supple as the Vitts. 290tpi beats 127tpi, every time...

Of the tires I've ridden, here's the rundown...

1) Deda RS Open Corsa...easily the best
2) Vitt OC CX
3) Vitt OC Pave 700x24
4) Mich PR3
5) Conti GP4000S
6) Mich PR2
7) Maxxis Columbiere
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Originally Posted by Cinqovitto View Post
the Rubinos are a big step down from both the Corsas and the PR3s.
while i don't disagree, i've been pretty satisfied with them. i definitely feel more confident descending on them than PR2's for instance. bsically, they're a great training tire.
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I am on my first set of PR3s and I love them. Really grippy through the curvy descents and very smooth ride. I don't have any experience with the Vitorrias to compare them to though.
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The new P3R are really different animals than the P2R. I believe one reason they handle better is because the tread comes down farther on the sidewall.

Also has anyone got an opinion on Vredeseins?
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Originally Posted by MrGlass70 View Post
Hi All,

Looking for some advice from the net.gurus.

Late last year I upgraded the tyres on my Felt F55 to the Vittoria Open Evo Corsa CX. I have to say I absolutely *loved* the ride feel. Felt like I was riding on butter, and I'm convinced it added speed to my ride.

However..... I have to say the number of punctures rocketed upwards when I was riding it.
I've had exactly the same experience. As I was changing another tube today I decided to use up a couple of my PBK $28 Pro2Race tires. They're *almost* as nice to ride and I don't have to stop for puncture once a ride. Sorry Vitto's, too many times parked on the side of the road.
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Originally Posted by Cdy291 View Post
The new P3R are really different animals than the P2R. I believe one reason they handle better is because the tread comes down farther on the sidewall.

Also has anyone got an opinion on Vredeseins?
fortezza tricomps (handmade) - handles well... though will skid easily... havent gotten a puncture yet (1500miles). quite hard to mount. people mistake it for a cheap tire (its like $70 a pop though !). the white ones will turn brown. they feel kind of slow but i haven't ridden anything else recently.
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Originally Posted by Cdy291 View Post
The new P3R are really different animals than the P2R. I believe one reason they handle better is because the tread comes down farther on the sidewall.
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I actually prefer the P2R's softer ride but will race on the 3 because of its purported gain in efficiency.
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Conti GPs are indeed stickier. I like the feeling when I'm cornering hard. Vittoria Open CXs have a real nice feel. That's because of the cotton casing, which is how they do it in their tubulars. But the other guys are definitely right on this one. Lots more flats on the Vittorias. I'm also thinking its due to the cotton casing and sidewalls. Michelin and Conti use nylon, I think which is more puncture resistant, but not as flexible.

I found a decent comprimise in the Fortezza, but man. What a pain in the *** it is to mount them on some rims. I'm never going back to that tire again. So, my solution was to try lowering the pressure about 10psi on the Contis. OMG! Worked great. Nicer ride too. I think most riders get stuck using one pressure and they don't really experiment. Try it. Not saying its the perfect solution, but if it worked for me, it might work for you.
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Try the Ultremos!!!! They are fast becoming my new favorite tire- comfy, smoothe ride & EXCELLENT flat protection. BTW, what tread are you referring to on the PR2? I don't recall any tread.
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Great thread folks... giving me lots to think about.

So who makes the PR3's... and who makes Ultremos??

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Ultremos are by Schwalbe, run about $45-50 each but are surprisingly durable; also weigh less than 200g
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Originally Posted by bellweatherman View Post
Conti GPs are indeed stickier. I like the feeling when I'm cornering hard. Vittoria Open CXs have a real nice feel. That's because of the cotton casing, which is how they do it in their tubulars. But the other guys are definitely right on this one. Lots more flats on the Vittorias. I'm also thinking its due to the cotton casing and sidewalls. Michelin and Conti use nylon, I think which is more puncture resistant, but not as flexible.

I found a decent comprimise in the Fortezza, but man. What a pain in the *** it is to mount them on some rims. I'm never going back to that tire again.
So, my solution was to try lowering the pressure about 10psi on the Contis. OMG! Worked great. Nicer ride too. I think most riders get stuck using one pressure and they don't really experiment. Try it. Not saying its the perfect solution, but if it worked for me, it might work for you.
So tell us, what pressure are you running in your contis? ...and how much do you weigh?
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I weigh 84kg... and I run typically on 110psi. The Vittoria's said anything up to 140, but I typically ran at 110
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If you want some really good tires, try the veloflex paves.
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Originally Posted by Cinqovitto View Post
The Corsas are beautiful to ride but very vulnerable to punctures especially in the sidewall. I just put 1000km on a set of Pro Race 3s and have no complaints but the ride is not equal to the Corsas. Grip was fine on the PR3 but I changed them because they are so f&%$ing tight on the rims and I am shooting about 50% getting them on the rim without pinching the tube. I haven't had a flat yet with them but with my luck I need to carry 3 spare tubes in order to make it home in the event I puncture. FWIW, the Rubinos are a big step down from both the Corsas and the PR3s.
I had the exact opposite experience re: rim tightness with the pr3. I found them quite easy to get on my dt swiss r1.1 rims where as I had a battle with the GP4000 (currently using 25c.)

I had terrible luck with the pr3. I pinch flatted the rear the first time I went for a ride then the 2nd ride I got a chunk of glass stuck in it. They were A LOT smaller in volume compared to my gp4000 25's. The ride quality was noticeably stiffer - this could be due to psi, i did not have them long enough before the rear was trashed to experiment - and they did not feel as stable on high speed descents especially on rougher roads.

I've had zero flats with the gp4000 over a few thousand miles...they are near their end and will be replaced by gp4000s 23c. we'll see if i can tell the difference between regular and S and slightly reduced volume.

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Originally Posted by Surferbruce View Post
i'm curious to try the new PR3. always felt the PR2's weren't real grippy, but that's supposedly changed. next on the rims are some Torelli handmade clinchers which are supposed to rival or beat the ride feel of the open corsa's.
i'd also like to try some Schwalbe Ultremo's and some Maxxis Courchavels....
i agree though, so far the CX's are the smoothest rolling clinchers but the wear factor is no bueno.
i'm running some Rubino Pros right now and am pretty surprised at how well they ride. personally i think they're grippier than PR2's and way more durable than CX's, but they don't have that silky smooth feel.

They lied......
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Open Corsas on the race wheels, Rubino Pros on the training wheels.
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Vittoria Diamante pros with 220 tpi give close to than same ride as the corsa with the durability of the rubinos. 4500 km on the rear so far with 1 flat caused by a small nail that would of punctured any tire.
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Open Corsas for the best ride - work for me on the front, but, I've had poor luck using them on the rear. So Corsas front - GP4000 rear. YMMV
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Agreed re: ride quality of EVO CX, but I have plenty of deep knicks and one puncture thus far. I have a Conti 4000 on the rear and will purchase another for the front when the remining CX gives out. I will say, however, that I had decent luck and with my specialized Mondo Pro a few years ago. Soft, but more durable than the Vittoria. Specialized seems to have some good quality accessories.
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Another option is using the Conti GP 4-Seasons which may be thought as being inbetween the EVo and the GP4000's. I've had pretty good luck with them, about 2,000 km so far and no flats but I'm riding on lots of glass.

They have a better grip on corners and a better road feel than the GP 4000's but wear out quicker. Flat protection is there! This morning I dug out a 2 mm long shard of glass (it was big enough to measure) out of the sole of my rear GP 4-seasons and this is after they are squared off.
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