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Don't tell me carbon fiber doesn't suck....

Old 06-24-08, 09:26 PM
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Don't tell me carbon fiber doesn't suck....

OK. I've got a Speciliazed roubaix Comp with 650 miles on it. Never crashed. Today in the middle of my club ride I was stopped waiting for the rest of the group at the half way point. I was exhausted from the climb and couldn't clip out fast enough and fell over on my right (landed in the grass). Didn't think anything of it until I get home and I'm wiping down the bike and I notice that the rear seat stay on the drive side has a 4 inch crack near the dropout. Unfriggin' believable. Carbon fiber crap. I am disgusted. OK this isn't a high modulus 10r weave like the S-works. But it is still over a $2K bike. What really has me freaked out is that at the end of the ride I was bombing down a couple hills at 38mph (fast for me). I am lucky that the thing didn't just fall apart on me. So for all of you carbon lover's who get pissed off every time someone posts something negative about your cherished frame material......go pound salt. Say whatever you want but I have first hand experience with how fragile a material it is.

My Lynskey Ti is on the way.
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Old 06-24-08, 09:28 PM
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Looks like a big scratch, got any better photos?

how did the grass scratch it anyway?
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Old 06-24-08, 09:29 PM
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bad design and cheap over seas construction not the material
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There are a million different formulas for carbon bikes and the ratio of carbon to other materials mixed in, you just happened to pick the wrong company/bike/got the shaft. There are real crappy carbon bikes that ride like a dead fish, then there are great carbon bike where the manufacturers got the ratio right.
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Is that a crack or just a scratch of the clear coating on the fiber?

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I guess a name change is in order?
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Originally Posted by woodduck View Post
Looks like a big scratch, got any better photos?

how did the grass scratch it anyway?
I fell in the grass. Bike hit the curb.
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Old 06-24-08, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by celticfrost View Post
Is that a crack or just a scratch of the clear coating on the fiber?

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crack. I can run my fingernail inside it and one side is higher than the other.
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Landed in the grass? What banged up the metal below the carbon? This bike obviously took a substantial hit somehow.

Is carbon as tough as steel? No, neither is anything besides steel, not even Ti. But come on here, you tipped a bike over and broke it, that's no reason to blame the material. I look at this as one more piece of proof that carbon doesn't fail catastrophically like everyone who is scared of it thinks it does.

Edit 'cause I type slow: so it hit a curb with a rider on top. Do you really think steel or Ti would have taken this hit?
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Originally Posted by Thirstyman View Post
bad design and cheap over seas construction not the material

could be. shame on me for going with a Specialized then. however, not going to take the chance of making that mistake twice. Lynskey Ti.
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Looks like a scratch, sweet dork disc though.
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OH and I wish my g/f was as dirty as your chain.
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Get it replaced by Specialized.
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Originally Posted by Landgolier View Post
Edit 'cause I type slow: so it hit a curb with a rider on top. Do you really think steel or Ti would have taken this hit?

I was at a complete stop and slowly fell to my right off of the bike and into the grass. the bike slowly hit the curb without me on it.

You're damn right I think a steel or ti bike would have taken this hit. It was about as soft a fall as possible.
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What caused the scratches on the dropout then??
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I'm pretty sure any modern frame will dent/scratch or break if you fall on top of it (or drop it onto) on the edge of a curb and hit the same area of the seatube.

TI, lightweight steel, carbon and alu makes no difference.
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Steel may have held up, but I doubt a thin walled aluminum frame would have faired any better then your carbon one. Performance carbon bikes just aren't designed to take that kind of hit...if you want a bike that is then buy a heavier steel frame and live with a 20 lb bike.

I love steel and ti as well, but this isn't a problem with carbon...it's a problem with subjecting a bike to forces it was never designed to handle. Take some responsibility for your own mistake and don't blame the material.
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
Get it replaced by Specialized.

going to try.
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How deep is the crack? The shot may be deceiving, but it looks like you didn't through the paint for most of that crack.
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You might want to loosen the tension on your pedals.
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Originally Posted by HillMut View Post
What caused the scratches on the dropout then??
assuming the curb. like i said. the bike has never been crashed or even dropped.
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Originally Posted by roubaix-ron View Post
crack. I can run my fingernail inside it and one side is higher than the other.
I'm no big fan of carbon, but I'd get a 2nd opinion -- maybe it can be fixed/salvaged.
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Carbon doesn't suck....
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You dropped your bike and scratched the seat stay. I don't see how Specialized could have prevented this tragedy.
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