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Old 06-27-08, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
Yeah, I hate not knowing who's taking the drugs. It's was so much better before since we KNOW the Astana guys did.
How does any of that have any bearing on this year's Tour?

And what makes you think Astana was the only team with people doping? I mean, c'mon man, the banning of Astana from this year's Tour is BS.
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Old 06-27-08, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
How does any of that have any bearing on this year's Tour?

And what makes you think Astana was the only team with people doping? I mean, c'mon man, the banning of Astana from this year's Tour is BS.
I disagree, I think it sends a very clear message. Everyone knew, from the moment that team started, that it wasn't going to be clean. And then we watch our heroes go there when they could have chosen a team that is at least TRYING to be clean.

I also stopped following Disco when they signed Basso, because I knew what it meant.

I think the Astana ban is good for the sport.

Disagree? Cool. It's just my opinion.

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Old 06-27-08, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
I disagree, I think it sends a very clear message. Everyone knew, from the moment that team started, that it wasn't going to be clean. And then we watch our heroes go there when they could have chosen a team that is at least TRYING to be clean.

I also stopped following Disco when they signed Basso, because I knew what it meant.

I think the Astana ban is good for the sport.

Disagree? Cool. It's just my opinion.
How is that good for the sport?
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Originally Posted by rbart4506 View Post
Hey there's a Canadian in the tour! Is Ryder the first since Steve Bauer??
Gord Fraser rode back in 1997.
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Old 06-27-08, 03:30 PM
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How is it good for the sport to tell cheaters they will be punished? Do I really have to answer that?
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Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
How is it good for the sport to tell cheaters they will be punished? Do I really have to answer that?
Yeah, 'cause I don't know who is a cheater. Who's a cheater, and what proof backs that claim up?
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Yeah, and he's a BC boy, too!

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Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
Yeah, 'cause I don't know who is a cheater. Who's a cheater, and what proof backs that claim up?
Are you new to the sport? Did you watch the tour last year?

If, by some chance, your answers are yes followed by no, here's your proof. Start your research with Vinokourov, Kashechkin, and Kessler. Then, go into some history with Manolo Saiz, Eufemiano Fuentes and Roberto Heras.

That's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure there's more. All of these people are either associated with Astana or the former Asta's (Liberty-Siguros and ONCE)

Happy google'ing.
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Originally Posted by Tourmalet View Post
Well why don't you tell us where he is then?

I Googled. He's suspended for doping and will race again in 2009.
Exactly, hes coming back to the peloton in 2009. With Liquigas. It was all over the news a couple months ago. Very unretired
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Well why don't you tell us where he is then?

I Googled. He's suspended for doping and will race again in 2009.
i don't enable feeble minds.
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Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
Are you new to the sport? Did you watch the tour last year?

If, by some chance, your answers are yes followed by no, here's your proof. Start your research with Vinokourov, Kashechkin, and Kessler. Then, go into some history with Manolo Saiz, Eufemiano Fuentes and Roberto Heras.

That's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure there's more. All of these people are either associated with Astana or the former Asta's (Liberty-Siguros and ONCE)

Happy google'ing.
So everybody with Astana now is guilty by association? Again, how is that good for the sport?
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Originally Posted by rankin116 View Post
So everybody with Astana now is guilty by association? Again, how is that good for the sport?
Everybody with Astana knew the reputation of the team, knew what the public would think, and knew there was a risk of being booted from the Tour. They joined anyway. They gambled and lost.

Note that I am providing a lot of facts and all you are doing is saying, "How is that good for the sport?" over and over.

Spin it as many times as you want, or ask it as many different ways as you want, my answer is still the same. In my opinion, sending a CLEAR message that cheating will not be tolerated is good for the sport.
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