Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

First Flat

Old 07-02-08, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.Hoodlum View Post
So I just got my first flat today on my Windsor 2.0 that I just got. Of course it was on my way to work. I have a spare tube and patch kit but have not changed a flat on this bike yet. So instead of messing with it for 20min.+ on the side of the road I threw the beatch on my shoulder and hiked the 1/4 mile home.

I was just planning on changing flats by hand, would it be better to get something to pry the tire off?

So my question, are flats an often occurance with road bike and skinny tires? The bike lanes of Portland are pretty treaturous with rocks, glass, and all sorts of debri. I think I ran over a pretty good size rock and I was flat about 5 seconds after that. I have these tires (Maxxis High pressure road 700c, presta valve tubes) and the guy at the bike shop told me they were good tires? Is there anything stronger I good get, or do i just need to be more careful when riding?

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huh?
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Old 07-02-08, 12:38 PM
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huh?
I was attempting to communicate with the OP in his native tongue
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Originally Posted by kukusz View Post
People can use derogatory language without being bigoted. The fact is most of society needs to grow a thicker skin. I'm sure you shrug it off when someone uses the word "********" to describe something, and that can be just as offensive to the right population. I spent most of my early childhood in the states being called a "dumb pollack" - it was character building. However, there are certainly limits to how far you can take something before it becomes purposefully offensive.

That being said, the whole "ghey" versus "gay" thing is ********.
Quoted for truth.

People entirely too sensitive - this reminds me of the usage of the word '******dly' in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******dly
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Granted I'm biased toward my own position, but this is what this debate always breaks down to in my mind:

Side A: "I need some reason besides common human courtesy to not use language that I know is offensive or hurtful to some people"
Side B: "I don't"

Which side would you rather be on?
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Old 07-02-08, 01:30 PM
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geez
Are you calling me a geezer? Bigot.
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Can we stop talking about **** and get back to the subject of fixing flats?
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One of these is all I carry. Never a prob with speedy change:

Zip.jpg

$4 at REI
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I carry 2 tubes, 3 CO2 cartridges and 3 Park tire irons. I can change a flat in less than 5 minutes. Getting flats comes with the turf.
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Old 07-02-08, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Landgolier View Post
Side A: "I need some reason besides common human courtesy to not use language that I know is offensive or hurtful to some people"
Side B: "I don't"

Which side would you rather be on?
You're right, there are only two sides to this. Such is life, I guess.

Let me give you my version of this.

Side A: I like Eddie Izzard
Side B: I like Carlos Mencia

Know the difference?
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Can we stop talking about Fags and get back to the subject of fixing flats?
Thanks for capitalizing that so nobody missed your trolling.

And seriously now, do you go around calling people that in public?
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Originally Posted by kukusz View Post
You're right, there are only two sides to this. Such is life, I guess.

Let me give you my version of this.

Side A: I like Eddie Izzard
Side B: I like Carlos Mencia

Know the difference?
I happen to like both of them, but I don't think either one would argue that their comedy makes it acceptable to use demeaning language in public around people you don't know.
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A, thank you.

Originally Posted by Landgolier View Post
Side A: "I need some reason besides common human courtesy to not use language that I know is offensive or hurtful to some people"
Side B: "I don't"
Which side would you rather be on?
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Originally Posted by kukusz View Post
You're right, there are only two sides to this. Such is life, I guess.

Let me give you my version of this.

Side A: I like Eddie Izzard
Side B: I like Carlos Mencia

Know the difference?
Both are obnoxious
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Originally Posted by Landgolier View Post
I happen to like both of them, but I don't think either one would argue that their comedy makes it acceptable to use demeaning language in public around people you don't know.
Not saying that, however some ability to have jokes based on nationality, gender, political orientation, sexual orientation, etc, are not always out of line.

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Both are obnoxious
I think you are seeing my point about A and B choices in general.
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Originally Posted by jrockway View Post
When you're writing, even in conversational style, it's not a bad idea to aim for precision. If I were writing the original post, I probably would have said: "First flat... didn't have the right tools" or "First flat... very irritating". These convey extra meaning, won't offend anyone, and make you appear slightly educated
How about "First flat: but I looked FABULOUS!"
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Originally Posted by Mt.Hoodlum View Post
geez
No kidding.

I guess it's inevitable when you consider Stuff White People like
#61 - Bicycles, and
#101 - Being offended.

On a bike forum two of the favorite activities of these irritating white people are bound to combine occasionally.
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Why don't they have AAA for bikes?
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I had a lot of flats from riding on Springwater Corridor, OP and then I replaced my tires. I literally had 4 flats in 2 weeks. I just picked up a pair of Vittoria Rubinos from City Bikes for something like 27 each and I pump them to 140 psi (max is 150). At that pressure, your tires are basically steel and I had no trouble on a 33 mile ride up and down Springwater last night. With an aluminum frame and 140 psi, you feel every bump in the road, but I'm really manly so it was OK.
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Carry the stuff and learn how to fix a flat. The next time you might be 40 miles from home rather than 1/4 mile.
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To redirect this thread back to flats...

I highly, highly recommend a pair of Michelin Krylion Carbon tires, about $45. I had racing-style tires but got sick of flats - I road on Gatorskins and Armadillos (two popular flat-resistant tires) and decided that the drop in performance was not worth it. The Krylion Carbons are not as good as racing tires, but they are a perfect mix of flat resistance and ride quality. I've had one flat in the past three months, I used to get a flat every month.

If you're commuting to work, I think that flat-resistant tires are definitely worth it; you may even want to try out some Armadillos. I would think that being late to work would be the worst possible scenario - if you really want to be bulletproof get some tube liners AND armadillos. It will take about 1 mph off your average speed, but you will be able to basically roll over nails and deflect them.
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It can be helpful to study the inner tube after a flat. I bought a bunch of "bargain" tubes a few years ago from Nashbar. All of the flats were on seams or the base of the valve, and NONE were caused by nails or glass.

On the other hand, if the tube damage is consistent with a nail or glass, you need to carefully inspect the tire to make sure nothing remains embedded in the tire.

So, when those tubes were used up (didn't take long) I began using Continental tubes. Number of flats caused by seam failures or valve failures: zero.

Tube and valve failures occur more often when a tire is OVER inflated and you hit a pothole or rock. The suddent impact causes the inner tube to burst at it weakest point. To get a "snake bite" flat, your tires need to be seriously underinflated, such as running a tire with a maximum PSI of 120 at just 30 psi or 40 psi. And, a "snake bite" flat leaves a "snake bite" tear on the inner tube, so you will know exactly what caused the flat.

Another cause of flats on newish bikes can be problems with the rim or spokes. A spoke end can poke into the inner tube, especially at high PSI levels, or rough metal inside the rim can tear the tube. Inspecting the inner tube will show a hole or tear on the lower part of the tube that rubs against the rim tape. If you find that sort of damage, you should have a bike shop fix the rim or spoke ends, and replace the original tape with Velox tape, which provides a better cushion between the inner tube and the rim.
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