Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 07-03-08, 06:00 AM
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who else also runs?

i am primarily a distance runner; currently in training for a marathon.

the real reason i got into road biking this year is to put less trauma on my knees and bones by cross training with the bike 2 days a week. (i'm hooked on biking now though, and after the marathon, i want to get more seriously into this sport primarily).

can anyone comment on how cycling has improved your running?

what type of cycling (intervals, long steady rides...) would be best to improve my distance running?
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I'm doing just the opposite - doing a marathon on the side but primarily road racing.
I dont know much, but after a run, regardless of distance (3-15 miles), my legs feel heavy and slow instead of the typical light and quick for at least 3 days afterwards.
It sucks.
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I do both but the focus is cycling. I run to improve my cardio for cycling...i think running is boring but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

I've been looking at a duathlon as a way to mix the 2...
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When I travel I often go running because I have no other way of working out. Takes about 2 miles to remember why I don't run anymore, though I have to get back to the hotel somehow so I usually get another 2 in. If you read up on tri bike geometry and tri training theory you'll find a lot of stuff about how it's hard to balance the muscles needed for running and road cycling at a competitive level.
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I run twice a week with a local group as much to hear the local gossip as anything else.
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i run. not so much this year, but lots last year. i ramp up the running during the winter. keeps me fit and trim. later.
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I run twice a week and ride the rest. I usually do 3 hard workouts a week, 2 running and 1 on the bike, then all the recovery days on the bike.
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I run...like a caveman.
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My last marathon was the L.A. marathon in 96' I'm a cylist now, hook line and sinker. I could say though that running to cycliing was perfect transition. I do very little running now though......
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Hey Angry,

I used to do triathlons very competitively, and was stronger as a runner / swimmer than as a cyclist. ANY cross training will help your running, though I view running and cycling as a bit different in terms of stresses on the muscles versus cardiovascular. For me anyway, running pace was limited by cardiovascular whereas cycling by muscle power.

In that vein, I think there will be less benefit for your running by doing cycling intervals (i'm just assuming you are doing track work / intervals for your running). More benefit from distance cycling which can give you a longer cardiovascular workout.

As always, YMMV
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I run as well. One of the reasons I got into road biking is to do duathlons (haven't done any yet). I am starting to feel like training for running is keeping me from training for cycling (and mountain biking) though I have my first trail half-marathon in September.

So far, I find that cycling tends to be more of anaerobic workout and good for working leg muscles and helping with knee pain. I do tend to feel a difficult running effort than a difficult biking effort the next day, but I can get wiped out from both. Cycling does offer a nice bit of cross training though if you still want a training day after a long run (for me anyway). I'm still adapting to running and cycling as part of the same workout by commuting home from work and then running.

You can also look at this thread in the MTB forum from awhile back (although it descends into whether people should run at all): http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=421475
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I'm in the military, so I have to run. So I have to run at least once a week (4 miles); I do not run out side of work.
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Originally Posted by AngryScientist View Post

can anyone comment on how cycling has improved your running?

what type of cycling (intervals, long steady rides...) would be best to improve my distance running?
My perspective comes from having been a distance runner for about 15 years and a road cyclist for 5......

Before I started biking, I ran at least 6 days a week (usually all 7) rain, shine, snow, 100 degree heat, you name it. I considered myself to be a good runner for my age group and finished well in the marathons, 1/2 marathon's, 5 & 10 K's, etc

When I started biking I would only ride 2 days a week and usually still sneak in a short run the same day. Then as I became more into biking, I started riding 3 days exclusively and running the other 4 each week. Now I find myself riding 4 or 5 days and running 3 or 2......

I say all this to frame my response to your questions:

IMO and from my own personal experience biking has made me less of a runner and has significantly negatively impacted my running. The muscle groups are almost entirely different and there is no doubt that my distance running has suffered due in part to the muscle mass I added in my legs from the bike. If anything can be said, it is that the running has helped the biking. Almost right from the beginning of my biking pursuits, I was a good climber. Once I conditioned my legs and built up the riding muscles I had no trouble out riding most people my age. I credit the cardio fitness and my body type/weight that came from the years of running.
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cycling has worked great to increase my endurance and my sprints for middle distance running........but i try to cut out all cycling about 2 weeks pre running race. ive found that if i ride all the way up to the race my legs get a little shell shocked running at race pace.
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i would agree that in my limited running career that running helps cycling more then cycling helping running. later.
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cycling and running are completely different muscles.

In particular I find that after cycling for a while I can't lift my leg as fast as I once did.
my sprinting speed is totally crap now, but I can outlast everyone else with endurance alone.
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I also run for several reasons. I'm into the exercise thing to burn calories. Your body gets very efficient at riding, especially if you aren't doing intervals. Running adds the cross training element, i.e. making your heart work while carrying your weight vs. not carrying it on a bike, so my body doesn't get used to used to the cycling pattern. Cross training also reducing the risk of a repetitive use injury. I work on my running form as well which helps core strength which helps on the bike.
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Every week when I race im an also ran
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I'm a triathlete, so i run almost as much as i ride. I don't think one really helps the other all that much aside from cardio benefits. A nice ride the day after a long run or hard race is good though. Helps the recovery.
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i run in the winter and spring and bike in the summer and fall. Usually i'll peak for running races in april/may and then recover/base to start. Ive never tried to do both at once, but i do use trainer work in the winter for recovery days during the runhing part of the year. I have also found that after running for several months i can build a good base wa only 1/2 the total mileage i used to do.
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I'm am old runner who very recently started cycling after a running injury sidelined me for months. Cycling, at my level, seems easy compared to even LSD running. I rode 80 easy miles last Sunday including a 4 mile climb/6% change in grade. It was less challenging than running hill repeats and I think the downhill is much easier on the knees.

I'd suggest you also include pool running as part of your training program if you are concerned about your joints. You can do intervals and tempo runs in the water as well as LSD. I use a belt because it helps me to maintain form. Pfitzinger has a DWR training plan for injured runners, but I think you could choose the more intense workouts as part of your training schedule.

From my age perspective, I think you are very wise to start protecting knees, other joints, and soft tissues. If you can't find the DWR info, contact me and I'll send the links.
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I only run when I don't have my bike avaliable, however being a runner before I got into cycling I think I can say that running has increaded my endurance and cardio performance on a bike and often times my legs burn out before my cardio does.
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i orienteer and do the occasional du.

I prefer to ride if i have the choice.
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I last did this years ago but back then I found running helped the cardio system for cycling while cycling helped the leg turnover during running. But realize I am not elite in anything.
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I used to run about 30-ish miles/week before I got into cycling. Now I hardly ever run at all. I've recently started "training" for the Bix 7, a reasonably famous local race. As others have stated, completely different muscles are used. When this race is over, I'll go back to cycling entirely and hope to get to 2,500 miles for the year....no great accomplishment, but it's my goal.
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