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Old 07-06-08, 07:10 PM
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What's your idea of a bombproof wheelset?

If one was to believe cycling lore of the past 3-5 years, it seems that you only have two choices for a bombproof wheelset, Velocity Deep V or Ultegra/Open Pro (the latter debatable). Again and again, those are the two predominant recommendations.

Is that really it or are there others to add to the list? I'd like to get under 1800 grams, but durability obviously comes first.
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I have three sets of Mavic Ksyrium wheels (two ES, one SL). I've had them for three years. They have 30,000 miles on them combined. THEY HAVE NEVER NEEDED TRUING, NONE OF THEM.

It just doesn't get more bombproof than that.
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my friend has a pair of DT swiss 1.2 RR rims that seem to have held up well
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
I have three sets of Mavic Ksyrium wheels (two ES, one SL). I've had them for three years. They have 30,000 miles on them combined. THEY HAVE NEVER NEEDED TRUING, NONE OF THEM.

It just doesn't get more bombproof than that.
Yes, it does. Deep-Vs with lots of spokes. I picked up a branch and broke a spoke. The wheel wasn't even out of true enough to touch the brake pads. I just twisted the spoke around a neighboring spoke and continued my training ride.

I've trued my friends' Ksyriums after crashes and big hits, and I'll tell you that my Deep-Vs are MUCH more bombproof. Ksyriums are pretty durable for expensive wheels, but they're not light, and they're not aero. Neither are Deep-Vs, but you can build a set for < $300 that will keep a clyde happy for 50,000 miles.

Ksyriums are a treat to work on though. They're just cool. Replacing a spoke is pretty rewarding because the rim is just so f'd, then it comes back to perfect so easily with the new spoke.
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Velocity Dyad with Phil Wood hubs, 40 spokes rear, 36 spokes front.
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niobium 30mm deep rims @ under 465g each + whatever choice of hubs.
aka IRD cadence aero.
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Originally Posted by AEO View Post
niobium 30mm deep rims @ under 465g
That was taken off my list because they only go up to 32 spokes, not another spokes for me. Bombproof is 36 spokes minimum. Velocity Dyad is 15 grams heavier.
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
That was taken off my list because they only go up to 32 spokes, not another spokes for me. Bombproof is 36 spokes minimum. Velocity Dyad is 15 grams heavier.
mavic A719 then...
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mavic A719 then...
lose weight you fatty?
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Originally Posted by AEO View Post
mavic A719 then...
Mavic A719 is 567 grams, quite heavy. Velocity Dyad is a much better value (and it looks better). In case you are confused, Velocity Dyad goes up to 48 holes.

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lose weight you fatty?
No need. My BMI is well within the normal weight, and I'm less than 150 lbs.
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Just to let you know I hit a pot hole once (at night without a decent head light) and bent a Krsyrium SL spoke. I weight 141lbs.
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I have been impressed with my Fulcrum Racing 1s. I've hit some nasty potholes/bumps and they have never been damaged or needed to be trued.
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I once hit a pothole @ 35+ mph with my Ksyriums so hard my handlebars rotated down against fully torqued stem bolts. The wheel was not effected. I've never had wheels that could take the abuse these do. Your experience may vary, but mine stretches back 20 years with this crap. Let that be your guide. I generally weigh in the 170-180lb range.

Your move weenies.
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Old 07-06-08, 08:30 PM
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i hate to agree with pcad, but the ksryiums are pretty dang solid.
a 36 hole 3x box section traditional wheel is the old standard.
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I don't see a lot of 36 spoke wheels anymore however. Even my older 36 spoke wheels weren't as bombproof as the new Mavics seem to be.
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again, i have to agree. the ksyriums really changed the game.
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Id have to say my Fulcrum 1s are the most bombproof wheels I have.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
I have three sets of Mavic Ksyrium wheels (two ES, one SL). I've had them for three years. They have 30,000 miles on them combined. THEY HAVE NEVER NEEDED TRUING, NONE OF THEM.

It just doesn't get more bombproof than that.
After reading this recommendation back a year ago, I went ES and never looked back. Even when I popped a spoke on the Montauk Century, I just got rid of the broken one and loosened a couple to get me through the last 30. People couldn't even tell that I had one less spoke, because the wheel was still almost true!
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It's more a matter of the wheel build...

Originally Posted by Booger View Post
If one was to believe cycling lore of the past 3-5 years, it seems that you only have two choices for a bombproof wheelset, Velocity Deep V or Ultegra/Open Pro (the latter debatable). Again and again, those are the two predominant recommendations.

Is that really it or are there others to add to the list? I'd like to get under 1800 grams, but durability obviously comes first.
It's more a matter of the quality, and the type of the wheel build. The Mavic OP is of excellent strength and is therefore forgiving in both terms of a rider hitting a pot hole, and a realtively untalented wheel builder selling a less than stellar tensioned and trued wheel. The Velocity Deep V even more so.

Lighter weight rims are less forgiving; spoke tension is more critical and the rim itself is less resistent to impact. Having said that, if you catch a pot hole just right, regardless of the wheel, you risk the potential of wheel damage.

Mavic Open Pro and Velocity wheel sets are almost always 32H, 3 cross, which is a combination that performs extremely well. Outside of these rims, a lot of wheels go the low spoke count route to sell light weight and design. What can you rationally expect from a piece of metal tube that is several feet long, weighs in the low 400g range, holds 120 psi, and has to rotate in a perfectly balanced manner supported by only 16 - 20 thin spokes? I don't think you can say "bombproof" and low spoke count in the same sentence; and if "bombproof" is your main criteria, you can rule out a ton of wheel offerings available on the internet.
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I really don't know anybody else who has ever needed these Kysirium wheels trued, much less broken a spoke...
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I really don't know anybody else who has ever needed these Kysirium wheels trued, much less broken a spoke...
Well, you know someone who knows someone, as I've done both. I'm a couple of my friends' mechanic for the tougher stuff...

Don't get me wrong, the Ksyriums are tough, but a 32h/36h Deep-V is tougher if built right. Srsly. I've re-shaped potholes with mine.
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I'm not saying there aren't any other tough wheels, I'm just comparing the newer Mavics to the Mavic Open Pros I rode for a zillion years. The Ksyriums seem to be 10x tougher.
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Ksyriums are good; I have ES and Elites, both are solid. I have a set of Velomax Orion IIs, also a great, bombproof wheelset.

Mention any wheelset, and you'll find people who love or hate it.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
I'm not saying there aren't any other tough wheels, I'm just comparing the newer Mavics to the Mavic Open Pros I rode for a zillion years. The Ksyriums seem to be 10x tougher.

If you each contribute $10 and buy me a set, I'll be happy to report back with my impressions .
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