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Are my bars at the right angle? (pics included )

Old 07-07-08, 11:49 PM
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Are my bars at the right angle? (pics included )

Still getting the hang of adjusting all this stuff, I just flipped my stem and was curious if this looks alright? In the past when i flipped the stem i totally adjusted the bars too low i was told.

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ˇJesú Cristo! Are you living with your grandmother? I don't think I've seen so many floral patterns, pastel colors and fake flowers since I was spending time hanging out at hospitals.

This is mostly personal preference, but I would say that your bars look just fine. I might move the brifters down farther so they are easier to reach from the drops and so that you have some more room on the tops, but that's just me.
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There comes a time where you should worry about your bike less and ride more instead. If nothing is wrong, don't fix it.
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Frame size issues?
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Originally Posted by otismedina View Post
ˇJesú Cristo! Are you living with your grandmother? I don't think I've seen so many floral patterns, pastel colors and fake flowers since I was spending time hanging out at hospitals.
The sewing machine is the dead giveaway that this room does not belong to anyone born in that last 60 years.

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This is mostly personal preference, but I would say that your bars look just fine. I might move the brifters down farther so they are easier to reach from the drops and so that you have some more room on the tops, but that's just me.
Agreed. Maybe rotate them down a touch to get the flats more parallel to the ground, and bring the shift levers down to improve access in the drops.

Kinda likethis pic, here: https://www.bikesport2000.de/Pics_sha.../BineGross.gif


That bar is a Deda Newton in anatomic bend. Not too bad, IMO. Me, I'd dump the anatomic bars for a traditional bend, like the Deda Newtons in a shallow or deep version: lots of hand room in the drops, with better lever access there, and better able to get a flat transition from the tops to the hoods.

Of course, you might also consider dumping the spacers, that is if you ever want to post in the racing forum again.

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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
There comes a time where you should worry about your bike less and ride more instead. If nothing is wrong, don't fix it.
You know man this is about the third effin' time you've said this to me when it's totally uncalled for. I just flipped my stem and haven't gotten to ride it, I thought I'd ask on here to see if it's in the right place before I get on it and ride the thing for 3 hours. What's your damn problem man, if you don't want to answer the question keep it to yourself. When in perfect health i jump through hoops to ride and spend as fair amount of time on the saddle, and when i'm sick as i have been this summer i still ride more than some people. It's not like i'm asking if dura ace will make me faster or if carbon cages will make me pro I'm asking if this is a healthy angle to have my bars at so i can ride.


Haha yah that room is ridiculous, I'm staying at my parents house right now for the holiday weekend, the furniture belonged to my grandma actually lol.
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They're the stock Bontrager bars that came with the bike, they've been fine so far. Unbelievably why would you say I have frame size issues?
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Although I'm no fit guru...
The amount of spacers and the short stem leaves me to believe
that you are perched too high on your seat. Leaving you to compensate
by staking up your spacers and crunching back with the short stem.
You'd have to post a shot of you mounted to get a better opinion.
Perhaps you're all legs...
and I don't have a clue what I'm talking about.
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Looks about right to me, but I like my levers with that slight upward tilt. I also wouldn't get too hung up on getting the drops level - never really feels right to me.
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Originally Posted by photonick View Post
They're the stock Bontrager bars that came with the bike, they've been fine so far. Unbelievably why would you say I have frame size issues?
I don't think you have issues, I think you have a whole subscription!

Personally, I hated the anatomic bars that came on my Trek 1200- they look very similar. No room in the drops, and never felt I got a good grip on the shift levers from there, either. That flat spot in the middle of the drops was in the wrong place and put my wrists in a weird position.

j/k around with the spacer comment... self-effacing bike-weenie humor and all that. Lots of spacers don't mean frame size issues. It might mean flexibility issues, but I'm not the bike fit expert. You should ask here: https://www.bikeforums.net/33-road-bike-racing/

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Originally Posted by unbelievably View Post
Although I'm no fit guru...
The amount of spacers and the short stem leaves me to believe
that you are perched too high on your seat. Leaving you to compensate
by staking up your spacers and crunching back with the short stem.
You'd have to post a shot of you mounted to get a better opinion.
Perhaps you're all legs...
and I don't have a clue what I'm talking about.
Well to be honest the bike has been a fit problem since I got it, I wasn't on this forum when i bought it and rushed into it. When i got it it came with those spacers and a 110mm stem, i kept moving my seat forward and just felt too stretched out in the hoods so we swapped out to a 90 degree stem. I recently had a much better fitting and the guy said that he felt the frame fit me, he recommended this stem and said he wanted me to first flip the stem then move out the spacers over time to feel it out. I always just feel so stretched out on the hoods.
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Haven't you seen enough white garage doors on BF?
How could you open yourself up like that?
C'mon Photo, you've hung around here enough.
I'd raise the bars a bit.
Honestly, just trying to help.
Hope you get to feelin' better.

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Originally Posted by Slackerprince View Post
Haven't you seen enough white garage doors on BF?
How could you open yourself up like that?
C'mon Photo, you've hung around here enough.
I'd raise the bars a bit.
Honestly, just trying to help.
Hope you get to feelin' better.

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Haha thanks man, I just wasn't sure if it was a personal thing or if it was more subjective. Just thought i'd run it by the peanut gallery. I'm gettin' better it's been a real bummer to have to stop riding.
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Check the position on these bars:



That's what I'm shooting for.

Your position will change as you ride more, I know mine did. With time you'll probably feel better being a bit stretched out, as long as your saddle/butt/knees/feet/pedal situation is correct.

Do you spend much time in the drops? Can you operate the shifters and brakes there? Most people who do need to drop the shift levers down a bit.

Again, I really like having a nice big flat spot on the ends of the bars when in the drops, instead of that little stub that is hard to get a comfortable grip on.
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I have no problem operating the levers in the drops, but i don't spend an excessive amount of time in the drops. As far as being stretched out sometimes its better sometimes it's worth the lower the bars the more pressure i get on the area behind my manhood.
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Originally Posted by photonick View Post
You know man this is about the third effin' time you've said this to me when it's totally uncalled for. I just flipped my stem and haven't gotten to ride it, I thought I'd ask on here to see if it's in the right place before I get on it and ride the thing for 3 hours. What's your damn problem man, if you don't want to answer the question keep it to yourself. When in perfect health i jump through hoops to ride and spend as fair amount of time on the saddle, and when i'm sick as i have been this summer i still ride more than some people. It's not like i'm asking if dura ace will make me faster or if carbon cages will make me pro I'm asking if this is a healthy angle to have my bars at so i can ride.
Read my last sentence.

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If nothing is wrong, don't fix it.
I guess I've should said that instead and left out everything else.

Seems to me if there's something wrong with it, you'd say something besides how it looks. I've been through what you're going through, tinkering with your bike based on looks. I went through 3 bar tapes just to get the shifter position right, so, I fully understand where you are coming from. I've done that before, wasted a lot of time flipping this, stacking that. Sure, it gives a different feel and sometimes you stick with it and sometimes you don't, but the people on this board are giving advice based on a picture without being you and riding your bike. Experimentation requires you to tinker, ride, and decide for yourself whether YOU like it or not, nobody can tell you what's right for you, hell, not even my "go out and ride more instead" advice.
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I have almost the same problem.. Seat seems high enough with a little leg bend, but i have quite a few spacers. If i lower my handle bars i feel like i am leaning over too far. Makes me lean on my hands and puts a lot of stress on my arms and neck. I moved my bars up a bit, more so then your picture, and that has helped. I really need a custom fitting. I also feel really stretched out some times when i am on the hoods. I moved the seat forward to help that... I am my own worst enemy.

This is when i first got my bike.
This is now.. Does any one else ride with there bars this tilted this far up?


I think i am going to flip the stem and cut the tube down. Drop a few grams
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
Read my last sentence.



I guess I've should said that instead and left out everything else.

Seems to me if there's something wrong with it, you'd say something besides how it looks. I've been through what you're going through, tinkering with your bike based on looks. I went through 3 bar tapes just to get the shifter position right, so, I fully understand where you are coming from. I've done that before, wasted a lot of time flipping this, stacking that. Sure, it gives a different feel and sometimes you stick with it and sometimes you don't, but the people on this board are giving advice based on a picture without being you and riding your bike. Experimentation requires you to tinker, ride, and decide for yourself whether YOU like it or not, nobody can tell you what's right for you, hell, not even my "go out and ride more instead" advice.
Sorry man I misread your post, i just thought you were giving me a hard time. Well the thing is i'm not super comfortable, so i know somethings wrong, i doubt it's in the bars but i thought it couldn't hurt to get some feedback on here. I've never really ridden any other road bikes than this one but i know that this one doesn't feel great, it never has. I sat on an R3 54cm for a few minutes on a stand in a LBS and just was shocked at how amazing it felt. FWIW when i sit with people in chairs i'm usually shorter than everyone but when we stand up i end up being taller than alot of the people.
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It really depends on YOU. People on BF have this weird idea of an 'ideal look' for a bike (flipped stem, bottom of drops parallel, not many spacers, 4-6 cm saddle to bar drop, etc etc). Half of this is unrealistic for a rider who wants a bike to actually FIT. Reason being that everyone is built differently, with different degrees of flexibility and strength. I have my bars at a 'non-ideal' angle, but sorry, that's what helps me ride the most comfortably (and I've gone through a lot of fitting). Check out Floyd Landis' BMC.. his stem is flipped up to help with his own fit issues. Bottom line - aesthetics are nice, but in the end, bikes are for riding, not photoshoots. And this applies to BF in general, I'm not necessarily saying you're guilty of this.
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I would love to run my bike with 1 quarter inch spacer inverted but i would be dying, i can ride longer and harder with the spacers in i came to realized.
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Maybe when I change my bar tape I'll try moving the brifters down.
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Originally Posted by photonick View Post
You know man this is about the third effin' time you've said this to me when it's totally uncalled for. I just flipped my stem and haven't gotten to ride it, I thought I'd ask on here to see if it's in the right place before I get on it and ride the thing for 3 hours. What's your damn problem man, if you don't want to answer the question keep it to yourself. When in perfect health i jump through hoops to ride and spend as fair amount of time on the saddle, and when i'm sick as i have been this summer i still ride more than some people. It's not like i'm asking if dura ace will make me faster or if carbon cages will make me pro I'm asking if this is a healthy angle to have my bars at so i can ride.

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Been there and back, photo.

I have a short torso and short arms. Finally found a frame with a short enough TT for me while still having a reasonable HT height. Built it, and ended comfy with about 2cm of spacers and a 10deg 110mm stem turned up! I tried it lower, but suffered badly. I don't even care anymore about the aesthetic, especially when you see all the kitted out riders in my area with flipped up stems anyways.

Funny part about it is a guy from the forum bought the EXACT same frame size, is taller than me by a few inches (yeah, longer torso and arms) and he has no spacers and a flipped down stem But, weird enough, his seat is only about 1.5" above the bars. Mine, with spacers and stem flipped up, is still about 1.5"-2" above the bars!!!

Just goes to show what a difference long legs mean. He's taller, but my legs are longer, so I actually have a higher seat. With a short torso I have to get the bars higher to compensate. When I have my wife take pics of my back angle when on hoods and drops, I'm about as low as the pro peloton!

Bottom line, this is an example of how bike manufacturers make bikes for most people and ignore some of the odd issues like us. I mean, we're talking 2cm of spacers, that's relatively pretty little, and frames could easily compensate for this, but your typical anatomy wouldn't need it and it's easier for us to add them than it is for others to drop their bars with negative rise stems.

As for your bars, which is the original question, wherever is comfy, man. I like being able to use my drops, so I have the bottoms parallel to the ground (or close to it). Have the levers rotated down just enough that I can reach them with two fingers from drops. That's just how I like 'em!
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Really, if you have to tilt everything up that much, you should consider some compact handlebars. Try some FSA compacts, more positions without compromising one for the other. You'll find that riding in the drops is faster and actually comfortable.
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Just angle them so that you're comfortable. The rest is irrelevant.
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