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Ambient Noise Level Of Your Campagnolo Drivetrain

Old 07-09-08, 07:05 AM
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Ambient Noise Level Of Your Campagnolo Drivetrain

For some reason mine is louder than usual or what I would expect. I have a Ti frame, Racing 1 wheels and a full Ultra Torque Record group in a compact crank. Here are some questions that come to mind that could contribute to a louder ambient noise level:
  1. Are Campagnolo chains typically louder?
  2. Are Chorus chains any quieter due to the lack of hollow pins?
  3. Are some lubes better than others for keeping a drivetrain quieter?
  4. Is a compact crank design louder than a standard crank?
  5. Do Ti frames have a louder signature due to its material density?
  6. Do all rear derailleurs from the same company in the same model sound the same regarding noiselevels?
  7. Can some wheels magnify drivetrain noise levels more than others?

Would love to hear comments from others that may have proven knowledge of the above.
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If you're looking for a quiet group,
look into Shimano...
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Would love to hear comments from others that may have proven knowledge of the above.


This line pretty much disqualifies the forum.....
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Originally Posted by unbelievably View Post
If you're looking for a quiet group,
look into Shimano...
Your typing is off......ShimaNo
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Don't know what to tell you on this one...my drivetrain is dead silent.

I do notice noise when I haven't lubed the chain recently...when was your last cleaning/lube?

I have 2 different setups and both are identical in their quietness when properly cleaned and lubed:
Bottecchia Centaur with 53/39 UT cranks (Alloy)
Mavic Cosmos wheels
KMC DX10 chain (I did notice Wipperman to be louder and have never run Campy chains...I have a friend that does though and his is quiet as well)
short alloy stays

Merckx Record with 53/39 UT cranks (carbon)
Hand built wheels on Record hubs
KMC DX10 chain
slightly longer steel stays

I have run these setups with both CT cranks and std double cranks as well as with both med and short cage RDs. When properly tuned, cleaned and lubed they are silent (or darn near it). I use Boeshield T9 if it matters.
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My Centaur set up is pretty quiet. It of course is loud when freewheeling. But when under power is quiet.
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Originally Posted by unbelievably View Post
If you're looking for a quiet group,
look into Shimano...

Bollucks.

My RECORD drivetrain is completely stealth.

1. Tighten your lockring to the proper torque spec.
2. Lube your chain
3. Remove your freehub (5mm allen key and 17mm wrench - reverse thread) and add a little extra lightweight grease to the pawls and ratchet ring.

I am using the new PRO ROAD lube from FINISHLINE. Messy at first but it keeps my drivetrain silky smooth and quiet, quiet, quiet.

Oh, and I am plenty qualified.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper View Post
Don't know what to tell you on this one...my drivetrain is dead silent.

I do notice noise when I haven't lubed the chain recently...when was your last cleaning/lube?

I have 2 different setups and both are identical in their quietness when properly cleaned and lubed:
Bottecchia Centaur with 53/39 UT cranks (Alloy)
Mavic Cosmos wheels
KMC DX10 chain (I did notice Wipperman to be louder and have never run Campy chains...I have a friend that does though and his is quiet as well)
short alloy stays

Merckx Record with 53/39 UT cranks (carbon)
Hand built wheels on Record hubs
KMC DX10 chain
slightly longer steel stays

I have run these setups with both CT cranks and std double cranks as well as with both med and short cage RDs. When properly tuned, cleaned and lubed they are silent (or darn near it). I use Boeshield T9 if it matters.
Thanks for the comments. Yes my chain is always cared for with frequent cleaning and lubing. I've tried various lubes and T9 chain lube seems to quiet my drivetrain the most. I have a steel frame bike with Centaur and that thing is silent. I even had the Ti frame checked for hangar alignment the other day and it is dead nuts. They said my chain had plenty of life left on it too. I wonder what it could be? This issue has bugged me since day one on this bike. If the chain gets the least bit dry it does not like to shift down on the rear middle cogs some of the time. It will hesitate or not go at all. And yes, the adjustment is the best me or the LBS can give it.
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Are you suggesting that Campy doesn't clunk through gears?
I'm not suggesting that Campy is less than a beautiful thing,
but if I were to compare my '08 Centaur to my '07 105 Shimano...
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Are you suggesting that Campy doesn't clunk through gears?
I'm not suggesting that Campy is less than a beautiful thing,
but if I were to compare my '08 Centaur to my '07 105 Shimano...
I offer for you to ride my Merckx. In NO way does it clunk through gears.

I will fully admit that Shimano is smoother with gear changes...that is in their cassette (I ran my bike with a DA wheel once just to see if it worked...it does) mainly. In the closer gears my Record is nearly as smooth...the larger gaps do have more of a bang feel when you make that switch...but it is fast and very positive.
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Originally Posted by jberenyi View Post
  1. Are Campagnolo chains typically louder?
  2. Are Chorus chains any quieter due to the lack of hollow pins?
  3. Are some lubes better than others for keeping a drivetrain quieter?
  4. Is a compact crank design louder than a standard crank?
  5. Do Ti frames have a louder signature due to its material density?
  6. Do all rear derailleurs from the same company in the same model sound the same regarding noiselevels?
  7. Can some wheels magnify drivetrain noise levels more than others?
From my Ti De Rosa with Chorus 08:

1: No. I've had both KMC and Campy chains and they've both been nice and quiet
3: Generally, wet lube is quieter than dry. Although you'll have more cleaning to do.
4: No

If it's noisy - there's probably something that needs adjusting somewhere. My drivetrain is silent - the only noise from that machine is the wind and tyres.
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Originally Posted by jberenyi View Post
Thanks for the comments. Yes my chain is always cared for with frequent cleaning and lubing. I've tried various lubes and T9 chain lube seems to quiet my drivetrain the most. I have a steel frame bike with Centaur and that thing is silent. I even had the Ti frame checked for hangar alignment the other day and it is dead nuts. They said my chain had plenty of life left on it too. I wonder what it could be? This issue has bugged me since day one on this bike. If the chain gets the least bit dry it does not like to shift down on the rear middle cogs some of the time. It will hesitate or not go at all. And yes, the adjustment is the best me or the LBS can give it.
How old is your bike? My experience is that Campy takes a couple hundred miles to 'break in' and quiet down, but once you ride it that much, it should be silent when adjusted properly.
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Personally, I prefer the "noise" from an Alfa Romeo than the sewing machine sound from a Toyota. I love it when I ride fast along a concrete wall or something... just so I can hear to "noise".

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Personally, I prefer the "noise" from an Alfa Romeo than the sewing machine sound from a Toyota.
My fellow Bike Forum members...
please stop with the car analogies.

In now way or form does a bicycle compare to a automobile.
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How old is your bike? My experience is that Campy takes a couple hundred miles to 'break in' and quiet down, but once you ride it that much, it should be silent when adjusted properly.
Going on two years now and until I built up my steel frame De Bernardi SLX this year I had no idea how loud my other bike was. I was on a Century Ride last week and the guys were jeering me because they said my fancy Campy needed adjustment or lube on the chain. Fact is I lubed it before the ride and made proper adjustments. Don't get me wrong, the sound eminating from the drivetrain is not a mis-adjustment type sound. It's just a loud mechanical type sound...similiar to a loud whirring sound from the jockey wheels. I wonder if my rear derailleur is defective in some way.
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Originally Posted by jberenyi View Post
Going on two years now and until I built up my steel frame De Bernardi SLX this year I had no idea how loud my other bike was. I was on a Century Ride last week and the guys were jeering me because they said my fancy Campy needed adjustment or lube on the chain. Fact is I lubed it before the ride and made proper adjustments. Don't get me wrong, the sound eminating from the drivetrain is not a mis-adjustment type sound. It's just a loud mechanical type sound...similiar to a loud whirring sound from the jockey wheels. I wonder if my rear derailleur is defective in some way.
What torque is your cassette lockring torqued to?

This really does matter.

If it is too loose it will clatter like crazy.
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Are Campagnolo chains typically louder? - Not really.
Are Chorus chains any quieter due to the lack of hollow pins? - Probably not noticeable.
Are some lubes better than others for keeping a drivetrain quieter? - I'm guessing thicker is quieter but also dirtier.
Is a compact crank design louder than a standard crank? - no?
Do Ti frames have a louder signature due to its material density? can't tell you. I'm a carbon guy.
Do all rear derailleurs from the same company in the same model sound the same regarding noiselevels? - I heard the SRAM RD's created a little bit of noise, can't remember where I heard that.
Can some wheels magnify drivetrain noise levels more than others? - no

I've had great luck with the standard KMC chains (performance / nashbar) in my full Record setup. Campagnolo can be more finicky than Shimano which may lead to more noise if not tuned properly but my setup is dead quiet when lubed properly.
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Originally Posted by jberenyi View Post
Going on two years now and until I built up my steel frame De Bernardi SLX this year I had no idea how loud my other bike was. I was on a Century Ride last week and the guys were jeering me because they said my fancy Campy needed adjustment or lube on the chain. Fact is I lubed it before the ride and made proper adjustments. Don't get me wrong, the sound eminating from the drivetrain is not a mis-adjustment type sound. It's just a loud mechanical type sound...similiar to a loud whirring sound from the jockey wheels. I wonder if my rear derailleur is defective in some way.
My campy drivetrain is loud as hell too.
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Mine is like a rhythmic hummm... I love it.
it's old school for me, kind of like the genuine article.
campy is sweet.
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Very little noise on my Orbea Lobular w/ '06 Record, FSA Carbon Compact, Ksyrium Elites, stainless Wipperman chain, and Purple Extrreme lube.

Well-tuned campy does make a nice noise when riding on a bridge or next to a concrete barricade. Very quiet, but noticable.
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Still having Campy problems, eh?

My Campy drivetrains are silent unless they are out of adjustment.

My Campy gears shift just as smoothly as my Shimano gears. And unlike my Shimano bikes, they stay in adjustment.

It's all in how they were put together in the first place.
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I use a Chorus RD & Chain, Record crankset. Mine is very smooth and quiet unless it's dirty or needs adjustment (which is rare).
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I've got Ultegra on my Ti bike and Record on my CF. I would not trade out either, but there are differences. For myself, shifting the Record has taken a bit of practice for certain shifts. Particularly when I want to get up to the big ring on my compact crank when I am in 2nd or 3rd. Almost as if it requires some "art" if you will. The shimano is much less sensitive and just does what its told.
the one seems very Italian to me, the other very Japanese. I like them both but ride the Record much more often.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
What torque is your cassette lockring torqued to?

This really does matter.

If it is too loose it will clatter like crazy.
Yes the cassette is torqued to Campy's specs with a torque wrench.
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Yes the cassette is torqued to Campy's specs with a torque wrench.
OK. So the rr der is also torqued to the frame to spec, I assume.

Did whoever installed the rear der cable cut the housing?

Campagnolo likes a much longer housing to the rr der than Shimano. Campagnolo housing is MUCH stiffer than shimano or other aftermarket cable/housing brands. If it has been cut (from the original pkg) it will add pressure on the rr der and can cause clatter when shifting down the cogset.
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