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Crank Arm Length

Old 07-09-08, 10:44 AM
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Crank Arm Length

I have a Specialized Allez Triple. I want to upgrade the standard crank to a compact crank. I see that most have 170, 172, and 175 mm crank arms. How do I know which I need? There is a Campagnolo Centaur C 53/39T on performance for $70, presumably because they only have it in 170mm. I'm 6'2" with a 32" inseam. Any help? Will the triple derailleur work since I would be using it on a double crankset? Should I get fitted by lbs or is there some way for me to know which I need? Thanks.
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Old 07-09-08, 10:51 AM
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https://www.cptips.com/crnklth.htm

https://www.arniebakercycling.com/han...arm_length.htm
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You probably want at least a 172.5 with the length of your legs.

Zinn says you want 175 (https://www.zinncycles.com/cranks.aspx)

https://www.billbostoncycles.com/crank_length.htm
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/cranks.html

From Peter White on the subject:
Crank Length


Crank length determines the diameter of the circle that the pedals move in. The larger that circle is, the more flexion of your knee and thigh muscles will be needed to turn the cranks. Your thigh muscles cannot exert the same force throughout their range of motion. This is very easy to demonstrate. If you squat down so that your knees are fully bent and lift yourself up, say, five inches, it takes a good deal more effort than it would to squat down just five inches from standing straight and then lift yourself back up. At the full squat position, your muscles can't put out the same power as when your knees are just bent enough to drop you down five inches. So if you had to choose between a crank length that had your knees bending through their entire range of motion and a length that only required, say, 20 degrees of flexion at the knee, you would choose the shorter crank. That crank would have your muscles working through a more efficient range of motion. You would avoid having to flex your knees enough to bring you into an inefficient range of motion.

So how long should the cranks be? Well, that's a good question. I wish I had a good answer but I don't. It should be obvious that a 5' 2" rider would not want to use the same length crank arms as a 6' 7" rider unless they somehow managed to have the same leg length (highly unlikely). Some research has been done to determine the optimum percentage of leg length to crank length. I doubt that there is an optimum percentage that would apply to all people. One writer in a major magazine article quite a few years ago claimed that after considerable testing with many different riders, 18.5% of the distance from the top of the femur to the floor in bare feet should be the crank length. You can find the top of the femur pretty easily. It's 5" to 6" below your hip bone, and moves rearward when you raise your knee. After reading this I promptly changed from the industry standard 170mm cranks for road bikes to 175mm cranks. There was an immediate improvement in power and endurance. I began using this formula when recommending cranks to my customers. So far, I haven't gotten any complaints. But of course that doesn't mean my customers wouldn't be as happy or happier with some other length. And I must admit that I have never tried still longer cranks than 175mm for enough time to tell if I would be even happier with them.

The top of the femur measurement ignores differences in legs themselves. Differences in the proportion of calf length to thigh length should affect the optimum crank length. A rider with longer thighs and shorter calves would use a longer crank to get the same flexion at the knee as a rider with short thigh and long calf. Of two riders with the same body proportions, one might prefer to pedal at a faster cadence. That might favor a shorter crank length. And perhaps even two riders with identical skeletal proportions would find after testing that they required different crank lengths to achieve maximum performance due simply to differences in their muscles.

Trying different cranks to find the optimum length would be time consuming and expensive, but I believe it is the only way to determine the correct length for any individual, assuming there is a correct length. It would be nice to have a crank with many pedal threads at various lengths to test. But I know of no such thing being made and I lack the ability to make one! Of course, some riders with multiple bikes report being just as happy on one crank length as another. Go figure! So, for lack of a better system, I'm staying with the 18.5% guide for my customers until something better comes along. It hasn't failed yet.

Note: As of August, 2007, we have here at Peter White Cycles a special crank with adjustable length that we use while fitting cyclists to our bikes. And, if you would like to come by and have it installed on your bike for determining your best crank length, just call ahead for an appointment.

In the United States, it has been difficult and expensive to obtain cranks shorter than 165mm or longer than 175mm. But a French company, Specialites TA has been making high quality cranks in lengths of 155mm through 185mm for many years. In order to offer my customers better fitting bicycles, I've decided to sell these cranks. See my web page; https://www.PeterWhiteCycles.com/carmina.asp for details.
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Two more thoughts:

• Some think shorter cranks are better for your knees

• If you use the search function, you will find several threads about crank length
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Originally Posted by powpow
• If you use the search function, you will find several threads about crank length
If you use Google be careful as some are NWS.
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Is 32" your pants inseam? That seems pretty short to be a pubic bone height.

FWIW I'm 5'10" with a 30" pants inseam, about 33.5" PBH and I like a 170 crank. I go longer and I don't like it. 165 is ok for long and flat, but 170 is my ideal, and I DO notice a difference.

Guessing that 32" is your pants inseam I would say you want 172.5 or 175.
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Yea, 32" is my pants inseam. I would guess that the measurement to the top of my femur is 37" and that would make the ideal crank for me, according to the 18.5% suggestion, would be 173.8, while the Zinn system says I need 175. I guess that leaves it up to my discretion, I'll go talk to lbs. I was hoping for 170 because of the great deal on the campagnolo crank, oh well...
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Originally Posted by jkemp9
Yea, 32" is my pants inseam. I would guess that the measurement to the top of my femur is 37" and that would make the ideal crank for me, according to the 18.5% suggestion, would be 173.8, while the Zinn system says I need 175. I guess that leaves it up to my discretion, I'll go talk to lbs. I was hoping for 170 because of the great deal on the campagnolo crank, oh well...
You need to forget about your pants inseam and measure your cycling inseam (crotch to floor, bare feet).

From Colorado Cyclist:

Stand with your back against a wall, your bare feet 6" apart on a hard floor, looking straight ahead. Place a book or carpenter's square between your legs with one edge against the wall, and pull it up firmly into your crotch, simulating the pressure of your saddle while riding. Have a helper measure from the top edge of the book to the floor, in centimeters. (You can convert inches to centimeters by multiplying inches by 2.54.) Repeat two or three times, for consistency, and average the results to get your inseam length.
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The Campy 53/39 you're looking at isn't a compact crank. Look for 50/34. 170 mm crank arms are too short for you if you have a 32" inseam.

The triple front derailluer will work (just tune the shifters), don't think the rear der. will. and you may need a new bottom bracket, the one for the triple might be too wide for smooth shifting and chain alignment.

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Originally Posted by jkemp9
There is a Campagnolo Centaur C 53/39T on performance for $70, presumably because they only have it in 170mm.
That's the aluminum crank, right? I have one currently (50/34). I'll wager the reason for the low price is because it's the older model using the venerable square/tapered bottom bracket axle. They've since updated and redesigned their cranks and bottom brackets. Carbon, for one thing.
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I would say 175 as well, but consider what you want it for, if you doing lot of long hill climbing then definately a 175mm. I have 4 bikes with 3 diferrent crank sizes, fixed wheel trainer with 170mm cranks, training and racing road bike 172.5 and TT bike 175mm Find longer cranks better for time trialing. i would have had 172.5 on fixed wheel bike but that wasnt an option when i purhased it and cant be bothered to change it. I can switch between all 3 no problem
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