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Lower Back Pain - High Hamstring Pain

Old 07-28-08, 11:43 AM
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Lower Back Pain - High Hamstring Pain

I have this pain in my lower back, about 4in. from my spin on the left side, also on my left side right below my butt or in the high hamstring area. 2 times I have had this pain before once while cleaning a vent on my bathroom and it locked me up and I laid on my bed for about 15 min and the pain went away. Still a bit sore but not a lot of pain. The next time was maybe a year or so later and I was picking up my sons toys bending down and picking them up standing up multiple time, again threw out my back. Both time the pain was only in the lower back not the upper hamstring area.

I started riding a bike in Feb 08 and started getting this pain in the upper hamstring area, and lower back. Came on here any everyone said get my bike fitted sounded as if my seat was too low. Got in fitted at the time I was riding a MTB and saw a physical the****** and got the pain worked out by stretching and raising the seat I think they raised it almost 2in.

I bought a road bike around Memorial Day 08 and got that fitted before I ever rode the bike, had a bit of the pain and had them read adjusted the seat. I think I have the seat at the right height, but I have been off the bike for a few weeks because the pain has come back some. I tried to do the stretching, but the pain was slight, but uncomfortable. I was maybe off the bike for about 2 weeks and the pain never really went away completely. While this was going on (already off the bike for 2 weeks) I moved and that I am sure it caused the pain to come back, but it is much worse.

I have seen my the****** again and she said it could be a bulging disk and it is because on the way cyclist sit on the bike and that we are always leaning over. I can't think that this is the reason since there are a ton of cyclist out there but I don't hear anyone else complaining. I also have heard that when everything is dialed in correctly on my bike there should be no pain anywhere, knees, neck, back, butt or anywhere else other then muscle pain when you are climbing or something like that. Should I get an x-ray or MRI? Does anyone else have this issue or what sorry for the long post, but I need help this is very painfully and I almost need a cane to walk around. is my bike way to big? I am 5'-10" I have a pretty short inseam around 29in. the bike frame I have is a 56.5cm Specialized Allez is that way too big. I bought the bike from a LBS that seem to know what they are doing. They are all endurance athletes and are certified bike fitters so I am not sure they sold me the wrong size or what. The fitting took about 45 min to 1 hour. He did the whole measurements and angles and used the plum line and all that so I am sure I am fitted correctly. What do you guys think any help is appreciated.
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Old 07-28-08, 12:04 PM
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Have you tried over the counter drugs? Advil, anti-inflammatories? If that doesn't work it sounds like you should be talking to a doctor.
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I am not a big drug taker, I try to stay away from them unless I really need them. I have however taking a few Tylenols (sp?). I have another appoinmtment with my thearpist tomorrow so I will see what they say about getting the MRI and see if there is a bigger issue.
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Old 07-28-08, 01:38 PM
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Only 1 post and he told me to take pain meds I can't beleive that I am the only person that has had some back pain like this.
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is it muscle pain or pinched nerve type pain?

I've had pinched nerve pain run down my lower back into my leg. Worst part about pinched nerves is there isnt much you can do about them.

Sorry I have no advise

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First off I would probably work on getting a difinitive diagnosis of your condition before I spent a whole lot of time trying to tweak your bike fit. Been down the injured back "what the heck is wrong" path myself. I Have read that most back issues resolve on their own and thus found that most doctors are reluctant to order stuff like MRI's (MRI = $) unless the symtoms persist. I pretty much had to drive the show when it came to getting a closer examination of my condition. You need to see an orthopedist who specializes in back issues. I had PT's tell me all kinds of stuff that was completely inaccurate. I would want to know exactly what my issue was before engaging in a sport that might aggravate my condition. Hopefully you can get an accurate diagnosis and from there you can determine 1. if you can in fact continue to cycle pain free and 2. if you can what is the best setup for you and what is the best training regime that takes into account your condition (whatever it is).

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I have the same exact pain in the same exact locations, have had it for a long time... stretching a lot, and consistently seems to help a bit, but it's still there... good luck
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I get a similar pain at times, usually when I don't stretch out enough. Having very tight hamstrings can cause a lot of lower back agony, and it forces you into a less than optimal position on the bike. You might also try some core exercises to strengthen your back and abdominals.
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I tend to share the 4-inch from the spine muscular pain as well. seems to me to be more fatigue-related and gets worse a) when there is a headwind and/or b) when i take too much time off the bike.

also, i tend to have very soar hamsstrings after riding. never seem to have thigh burn/soarness but upper hamstring.

i am your height with 30" inseam. i have started to move seat forward....
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Originally Posted by OCRider2000 View Post
First off I would probably work on getting a difinitive diagnosis of your condition before I spent a whole lot of time trying to tweak your bike fit. Been down the injured back "what the heck is wrong" path myself. I Have read that most back issues resolve on their own and thus found that most doctors are reluctant to order stuff like MRI's (MRI = $) unless the symtoms persist. I pretty much had to drive the show when it came to getting a closer examination of my condition. You need to see an orthopedist who specializes in back issues. I had PT's tell me all kinds of stuff that was completely inaccurate. I would want to know exactly what my issue was before engaging in a sport that might aggravate my condition. Hopefully you can get an accurate diagnosis and from there you can determine 1. if you can in fact continue to cycle pain free and 2. if you can what is the best setup for you and what is the best training regime that takes into account your condition (whatever it is).

Good luck.
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Listen to this advice. I have much experience with these things and while bike fit, core strength and flexibility and posture are all critical factors that you should examine, get your condition diagnosed by a professional orthopeadic doc now, one who specializes in the spine. My unprofessional opinion is you do have a bulging disk but no one can know that positively without an MRI. Herniated or not, you will need to pay attention to this the rest of your life because if you think it's bothering you now, trust me, it can get a LOT worse. Good luck!
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Old 08-04-08, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RealtourRoadie View Post
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Listen to this advice. I have much experience with these things and while bike fit, core strength and flexibility and posture are all critical factors that you should examine, get your condition diagnosed by a professional orthopeadic doc now, one who specializes in the spine. My unprofessional opinion is you do have a bulging disk but no one can know that positively without an MRI. Herniated or not, you will need to pay attention to this the rest of your life because if you think it's bothering you now, trust me, it can get a LOT worse. Good luck!
Yep. I've had bulging and herniated disk. Never known such pain! Anyway, physical the****** helped a ton. Different stretches and life activities have helped tremendously. no more heavy weight lifting, golf or softball. Led me to biking and has been great!

Get prob figured out then adjust bike (see a fitting specialist) and, hopefully, all will be well with you. Good luck
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Old 02-10-09, 10:28 AM
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Maybe u have hurt ur coccyx. It hurts like heck. Cant sit, cant lie down. Only position u'll be comfortable will be standing and that too not for long.

Chek a doc. He might recommend plastic cushion for u to sit (which looks like doughnut) as it helps in relieving pressure on the spine. Put hot water pack on the area that hurts. TranS1
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Hamstring tightness can easily mess up your lower back. It does so with me.
Stretching and more stretching, done sensitively helps a lot. Try yoga.
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You need to see a doctor.
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Could be sciatica.
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Originally Posted by RealtourRoadie View Post
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Listen to this advice. I have much experience with these things and while bike fit, core strength and flexibility and posture are all critical factors that you should examine, get your condition diagnosed by a professional orthopeadic doc now, one who specializes in the spine. My unprofessional opinion is you do have a bulging disk but no one can know that positively without an MRI. Herniated or not, you will need to pay attention to this the rest of your life because if you think it's bothering you now, trust me, it can get a LOT worse. Good luck!
+1 especially if you start experiencing stabbing leg pain and weakness.
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Your saddle is too high or too far back. Forget these online formulas, they all put you very high on the saddle.
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I've suffered from back pain while riding for over 5 years now and it sucks big time. I have a bulging torn disk that's dried up and leaking fluid. I've seen a few doctors, PT's, and a chiropractor. I've raised the handlebars on my bike, modified my riding position, done all sorts of stretching, bought an inversion table, and have lived on Ibuprofen at times. A quick word of advice would be don't try to ride through the pain. Get an MRI on your back and find out if you already have a herniated disc - hopefully not. Modify your riding position so it doesn't hurt while riding. Good luck.
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A good physical the****** is key.
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If your doctor can't figure this out, find another one. "May be" a bulging disc sounds like a reason to do so. It may not have been caused by cycling and that's just where the effect shows.

I am fortunate to not yet have needed to know anything about bulging discs, so I can't offer much there. But I do know about tight hamstrings and piriformis muscle problems, and they can cause pain in the "right below the butt" area. The piriformis especially, as it doesn't get stretched much in the normal hamstring stretches. Usually one side is worse than the other (no one is100% symmetric) and that will be the one that causes problems first.
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sciatica (I have that t shirt)

Ibuprofen + stretching
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I've had back issues for the past 2 or 3 years. Sometimes it's a stabbing pain that literally has me
flat on my back on the floor. This usually involves the muscles in the back spasming and pulling everything out of alignment.
The other issue I have is a constant low level pain in my lower back, which gets worse the farther
I ride. I went to an orthopedic back specialist (who happens to be a cyclist too) and he did
xrays and mri, screw the costs thats what insurance is for. I have a bulging disc between L5 and S1.
As it's not too bad I'm on a course of stretching ( focus on quads and hip flexors ) and exercises to
strenghten my hip flexors. He also recommended going back to the LBS and getting another fitting to
find a position I can maintain for more than 1/2 hour without pain.
I'm 5'8 with a 30 inch inseam and a 56.5 would be too large a frame for me, I think I'd have another
shop in the area size me if I were you.

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[QUOTE=Shazaam;7151753I have seen my the****** again and she said it could be a bulging disk and it is because on the way cyclist sit on the bike and that we are always leaning over.[/QUOTE]

Speaking first hand the the****** is correct. A herniated or bulged disc basically impinges, fancy word for crushes, your nerves. When you lean forward you put your back into flexion. That opens the vertabrae facing your nerves and the disc bulges out even farther into the spine. If you stand and lean backwards you're in extension. That closes the vertebrae and pushes the disc back and hopefully relieves some pain. When you're on the bike bent over you're putting your back in position that can be really painful for a herniated disc.

See the article on flexion: http://www.spineuniverse.com/display...ticle2026.html

Back and cycling: http://www.wellsphere.com/chronic-pa...cycling/363402


http://www.backpainadvice.co.uk/cycling_backpain.htm
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Your saddle is too high and too far back. There, problem fixed. Your back will be fine now.
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Your saddle is too high and too far back. There, problem fixed. Your back will be fine now.
What can you do for occasional neck discomfort?
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