Campag4life

Now there's a surprise

Campag4life

I don't know Joe. That is where we are different. You want to try the cop based upon what you know and I would prefer to hear from all involved including testimony of witnesses to draw any solid conclusion. I do agree it doesn't look good for the cop but would prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt versus try the guy in the court of public opinion.

josephjhaney

This thread totally reminds me of how every kid thinks it should be ok to hit, that is right up to the point where they get their ass kicked. Then they are running to the teacher saying how wrong it is that they got beat up. All these right wing nutjobs here saying how everyone looking at a video and stating the fact that the cop lied, are just whining, and how they are all cop haters, just havend had the system screw them. I never had either, but I've also never been *****, beaten, abused, or a victim of 1000 other wrongs, and it doesn't stop me from understanding they are wrong acts regardless of who perpetrates them.

Joe

Psimet2001 

I think you guys have gotten totally rolled up into yourselves and are just looking for someone to target. I don't think most of you understand my tounge in cheek approach to posting....but then again that would be because most of you NEVER come on to this forum so I guess I will have to spell this one out for you.....

I think the cop was a total ass. I am not defending him.

I take issues with "articles" that include phrases like this:
it's like this guy thinks he's discovered some sort of injustice that will rock the thread of society.....no...he reporting about a cop that went ape**** and abused his authority.....not necessarily ground breaking.

I personally like my news where it just reports stuff that happened. "There was a video on youtube that show a cop tackling a cyclist. Later the cop reported all this stuff. Many believe that the video directly contradicts what the cop reported." End of story.....

not "Video is finally allowing us to show the world this opressive police state we live in! Fight the MAN!"

Critical Mass is a joke. That won't ever change. Sorry.

For those that don't get it I usually attack gross generalizations by using gross generalizations. Duh. When you miss that it becomes pretty easy to see that you can easily miss the biased nature of the article.

...and finally yes...I dislike liberals and ultra conservatives too, but then again saying those two things is like saying I dislike those that go to extremes and try to convince everyone else that they're the ones that are right. They're all losers. (Get it yet...gross generalizations....?)

Cops aren't generally bad people. I ride with a few who I actually like and invite into my house without fear of a beat down or getting tazed. Acting surprised when you run across a bad cop is like acting surprised when a school teacher has sex with a student or a doctor prescribes a medicine only because of a kickback....news flash....people in all professions make bad ethical decisions.

Do what you can within the system to correct the behavior then move on. Better yet go ride your bike.

Campag4life

I am sorry but your rebuttal is too diffuse. Please distill it down into a singular and more cohesive point and I will respond.

drafters65

PUAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Campag4life

And who are the first to try and protect the rights of the average citizen? And who do you call to save your sorry ***** if a crook is trying to break into your house? Nobody is saying that the cop didn't lie. He may have. I don't want to label you but you join others in your opinion of what happened without all the facts. Your disdain for the cop has to do more about your personal bias then giving the guy a fair trial.

Lazyass

That's a shocker. So go back there with the drama queens and leave those of us who have an actual life alone.

Psimet2001 

That should be OK. Then you learn that you're not always going to be able to kick everyone's ass and it forces you to learn other ways of handling situations.

...but of course most of us do believe this to an extent becuase a lot of us race bicycles....where we try to kick each other's ass to get our way and then we get our asses kicked. We don't go to the teacher to complain we just tell each other to train harder or STFU and accept your fate.

We're elitist a-holes. We like it that way.

....now...if I could just figure out how not to lose...

cparekh

My KC Chiefs have a few problems with middle linebacker. If this officer loses his job, he can still make training camp.

As usual, I am going to chime in late, but I have been reading everything I can about this incident in the papers in NYC, and I have say I am deeply disturbed by the discrepancies between the official report and what the video appeared to show.

There will be a court hearing for the rider, Christopher Long, and there will be internal hearings for Officer Pogan, and that disturbs me too. As far as I understand, internal police hearing are essentially a private, mostly one-sided affair, while court hearings are public. Because of the large amount of publicity this has received in NYC and because of the large number of suspect arrests during the Republican convention, this one might receive the scrutiny it deserves, but in general, I have to imaging that most of these types of cases just fade away in favor of law enforcement.

I don't really know if this is true, and I don't really know if this is wrong, but at first blush, it does disturb me when the investigation findings are held privately.

SPlKE 

^^
Fred.

nayr497

YES!!!! Please, please, someone post something expensive they own besides a bicycle! A watch? A car? I'll even take an expensive purebred dog. Do we have a thread on them yet? How about sweet college rings that you wear while riding? What about home entertainment centers? Expensive kitchen appliances?

Lazyass

Ummm.....

No, you were doing something other than that and it makes you sound ignorant, unintelligent and backwards.

gfrance

Actual life as defined by spending inordinate amounts of time on a computer forum for cyclists?

Campag4life

Well...keep in mind that loose cannon cops are if anything a liability if not black eye to any department. The liberals on here will never agree that departments will weed out needlessly violent cops but the fact is they will and it has nothing to do with the altruist lense of the liberal eye. It has to do about what is happening here...liability and public outcry. Certain things may be swept under the rug in private hearings but most departments won't tolerate cops that are needlessly violent against the public due to threat of public reprisal including an errant law suit in the mix say if this cop is found guilty and the guy thrown down had lasting damage.

MickeyKriza

there are risks involved in participating in bicycle activism, as there are with representing any unpopular cause. Cops beat up political protestors as well. it's just the way of the world.

redmist

lol! are you saying that a police department won't put up with cops that use excessive force because public peer pressure ?

shouldn't it be that the police department won't put up with cops that use excessive force because it's plain wrong and unlawful?




i'm very suspicious of anyone who throws the word "liberal" around much as you have been on this thread.

josephjhaney

Funny, the liberals on here are the only ones saying the policeman did anything wrong. Many others are busy saying the video and the people citing the wrong action are biased, and just out to get the cop. Are you implying that a department full of good police might view this video and say this officer did something wrong? They would all be cop hating cops then, right? Wait, I'm getting confused.

Would IA be biased if they viewed the same video we have viewed, read the same report we have all read, and concluded the cop acted without reason?

Joe

gfrance

Have you seen this:https://theerant.yuku.com/topic/7789/...g-cyclist.html

Read thru some of the pages. I don't intend to suggest the whole dept. is like these idiots. But do you really want to suggest these guys are going to be weeded out naturally?

josephjhaney

Oh, nevermind then. Cars run over bicyclist all the time too, so we'll just ignore that as well. It's the way of the world after all.

Joe

tenfour

Without seeing what the guy did, there's no way of saying the officer was out of line. He obviously saw something, he started walking over that way with his eye on him. The guy tried to speed up and drive around the officer, I hardly doubt a "sir pull over" would have stopped him. Looks fine to me...

gfrance

Oh God, please, not this line of thought again.

josephjhaney

I would at least expect those types of replies there. I am quite surprised by them here however. Nothing should surprise me at this point though, as long as the kool aid is the right flavor, most of them will drink it. Jim Jones, Rush Limbaugh, the names change, but the theme does not.

Joe

josephjhaney

Could you please take at least a TINY bit of time to research this before coming to the 16th page and looking like a total and complete ass? Like, oh, I don't know, read the police report? Or how about the statement from the Police Chief saying he has no idea why the officer would act that way. Ya think maybe the Chief would have known if the cyclist had "done" something? maybe?

Christ.

Joe

cparekh

This is a good point, and one that works as long as the public CAN outcry against bad policing. This is exactly what I am scared of, that the public won't know about cases that aren't videotaped. Now in fairness, NYC has a number of institutions in order for the police to police themselves as well as the public to police the police. Things such as the Citizens Complaint Review Board are not ineffectual, but they were put into place because of a history of abuses by the NYPD.

This is not to say they the NYPD is doing a bad job; they do a phenomenal job, IMO, given the resources and the population they have to control. All I am trying to say is that I guess that this type of thing happens all the time here, and that 9 times out of 10, we don't know about it because it didn't happen in Times Square.

The good thing about this is that it happened to a population (white, young, liberal, elite) that the NY Times caters to, so we will get a lot of pressure on Ray Kelly to make everything public. Also, because both parties were white, we can concentrate on the fact that this was a potential case of police abuse without it getting confounded with a potential case of racial abuse as well. I just hope Christopher Long isn't gay.