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2009 Scshwag extravaganza! Undecided?

Old 07-29-08, 09:35 AM
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2009 Scshwag extravaganza! Undecided?

Well, I am all set to get a 2009 frame and components. I already have a very very nice bike that I love (LOOK 595 Ultra /Record), but I have a bug about getting something 2009 new with Super Record components. Why? Simply because I want to and can. I am not going to apologize to anyone for having chosen a life's path that has led me to be able to afford this stuff, so let's move on to the real question here.

What I am unsure about is the frame. I want to try the new Super Record stuff. I currently have 2008 Campy and love it. Although I am tempted to go with '08 Record again in the new bike, the thought of getting the new Super Record is a little too tempting. For the frame, I have been considering the following in no particular order:

Cervelo R3-SL
BMC PRO Machine SLC 01
Pinarello Paris (colors are low in appeal though!)

I am not doing steel or titanium. I am not doing Parlee/Ruegamer/custom either. I must admit that the pictures of the new 2009 Giant with ISP are very very nice, but it is like comparing a Ferrari or an Aston Martin to a Camaro given the other choices above.

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Paris. Check the Pinarello web site for custom finish options. Not a dog in the bunch, though.
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An R3-SL frameset is $3500.

It's either that, or get a freaking Ruegamer or Crumpton.
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Originally Posted by dgasmd View Post
I must admit that the pictures of the new 2009 Giant with ISP are very very nice, but it is like comparing a Ferrari or an Aston Martin to a Camaro given the other choices above.
Incorrect. Giant is controlling the manufacturing process right down to weaving the fibers and choosing the resin. None of the other manufacturers you listed are even coming close to that much attention to detail.
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Also, note that one of the best sprinters the pro peloton has seen in years won 4 tour stages on one.
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I demand an apology!

Also, if you have an itch to buy a schwagtastic frame, don't buy the giant. I own a giant and love it, but it's not SCHWAG. If Pinarello has custom paint options...that's where I'd go.
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Incorrect. Giant is controlling the manufacturing process right down to weaving the fibers and choosing the resin. None of the other manufacturers you listed are even coming close to that much attention to detail.
Dude, don't get so defensive. It is a matter of aesthetics and perception, not performance. Nobody can argue that anything above $2500 has little to no performance difference aside from the legs pushing it. Besides, I don't disagree with your statement above.
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I demand an apology!
Good for you!!
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Pro Machine or Paris
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I test rode a Paris and chose the Pro Machine over it. It rode better, felt more "urgent". I have had no regrets.

The only bike I would add to that list is the Look 595 Ultra
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Originally Posted by dgasmd View Post
Dude, don't get so defensive. It is a matter of aesthetics and perception, not performance. Nobody can argue that anything above $2500 has little to no performance difference aside from the legs pushing it. Besides, I don't disagree with your statement above.
Sorry - didn't mean to sound defensive. An alarm in our server room paged me at 5:30 this morning so I'm kind of grouchy sounding by default I think.

BUT - the Giant's are well balanced machines IME and they are way better than their price tag, and the quality and detail they can put into their manufacturing process is second to none IMO. (now I'll shut up and quit being defensive. )

As far as performance differences between bikes, above $2500 or not - handling characteristics between bikes can vary a lot. For example - I recently got to go on a long hilly ride on a Storck. Can't remember the model but it was the one billed as the stiffest bike on the planet or some such thing. It was as stiff as its billing - no question. It had a lot of flop or trail climbing though. I definitely would've preferred climbing on my TCR. The Storck however was a brilliant descender and I immediately felt very comfortable going into to corners pretty hot with it. Actually a Storck might be something you want to look at come to think of it.
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This was the bike:

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They also had this - about $10k as pictured. Super light. Those Zipps are specially made for Storck and have a 60mm rim depth (maybe 58mm):

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then you could always do something like this:

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Pinarello Prince. The Paris is a pig weight wise... but still a nice bike.
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I'm fascinated by the Guru Geno as well lately.

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Cinelli, "best of"
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Storck sounds like a winner to me.

Marcus know his stuff when it comes to designing badass frames.
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https://www.timesport.fr/rxr-ulteam.0.49.0.0.html

That TIME RXR Ulteam is also mighty nice, but that much red is just too much for me. I wished they had it with the reverse colors (white where red is and vice versa).

The Storck Fascenario 0.7 is a nice bike too, but a bit "generic" looking though. I know, I know......

Can't see the Cinelli though.

The De Rosa King 3 for 2009 is another very nice option too. So many.


By the way, I have heard the same about the Pinarello being a porker for the bike it is/supposed to be. I am overly obsessed with the bike's weight too, so that may end up being of the many deciding factors.


That is the Giant I was talking about. For what I hear from others, maybe the jellows/envy crow?, i that is it mostly a replica of the Cervelo R3 SL with an ISP. Nice anyway.
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Originally Posted by dgasmd View Post
Well, I am all set to get a 2009 frame and components. I already have a very very nice bike that I love (LOOK 595 Ultra /Record), but I have a bug about getting something 2009 new with Super Record components. Why? Simply because I want to and can. I am not going to apologize to anyone for having chosen a life's path that has led me to be able to afford this stuff, so let's move on to the real question here.

What I am unsure about is the frame. I want to try the new Super Record stuff. I currently have 2008 Campy and love it. Although I am tempted to go with '08 Record again in the new bike, the thought of getting the new Super Record is a little too tempting. For the frame, I have been considering the following in no particular order:

Cervelo R3-SL
BMC PRO Machine SLC 01
Pinarello Paris (colors are low in appeal though!)

I am not doing steel or titanium. I am not doing Parlee/Ruegamer/custom either. I must admit that the pictures of the new 2009 Giant with ISP are very very nice, but it is like comparing a Ferrari or an Aston Martin to a Camaro given the other choices above.

Suggestions????
If you're considering a Paris, it seems like you should be comparing it to a Cervelo SLC-SL, not the R3-SL. I like the paint schemes on all of the Pinarellos, but I like to think that the technology is higher on the Cervelos, which is why I'm considering an RS.

All of them are high on the bling factor.
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https://www.timesport.fr/rxr-ulteam.0.49.0.0.html

That TIME RXR Ulteam is also mighty nice, but that much red is just too much for me. I wished they had it with the reverse colors (white where red is and vice versa).

The Storck Fascenario 0.7 is a nice bike too, but a bit "generic" looking though. I know, I know......

Can't see the Cinelli though.

The De Rosa King 3 for 2009 is another very nice option too. So many.

can you get that bike in full RR regalia? That'd be something special.
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dgasmd,

By the way, it's people like you who help me to not feel so guilty about spending mucho bucks (to me) on my lowly RS.

Thanks,
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Originally Posted by dgasmd View Post
Well, I am all set to get a 2009 frame and components. I already have a very very nice bike that I love (LOOK 595 Ultra /Record), but I have a bug about getting something 2009 new with Super Record components. Why? Simply because I want to and can. I am not going to apologize to anyone for having chosen a life's path that has led me to be able to afford this stuff, so let's move on to the real question here.
Heh. Wins my vote for the best quote EVER!
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Get a Guerciotti Khaybar to go with your older Guerciotti.



But get it in a different color.



Or a Cyfac Cyfac Cyfac Cyfac Cyfac.
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Canyon?
Although not this paintjob.
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