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Old 05-22-18, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Timo 2.0
Depends: there's a couple of slim stems which IMO do look good with classic tubes. Syntace F99 (26.0) and F109 (31.8) and the Deda Superleggera (31.8).

Deda...

Syntace F99...
Both nice looking stems but is either available in a -17° version, 110mm length, preferably polished silver?
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Awkward angle for the photo, really compact bars on a massive frame, and a saddle bag? C'mon, man. No wonder you got whipped last time Nice frame and I love the old Campy levers with it. If the pedals work for you, great but the white finish is even more out of place on that bike than the black crankset is on mine.
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Originally Posted by joejack951
Both nice looking stems but is either available in a -17° version, 110mm length, preferably polished silver?
That would require some work but far from impossible. The Syntace F139 was available in -17° but 105mm (easily compensated with bars which have a bit more reach), There are several people who can de-anodise and polish the stem. For example Chris Howard at CycloRetro: https://www.cycloretro.com/pricing
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Originally Posted by Campag4life
It isn't the bars that makes that royal blue Domane bike look fugly. It is the 'choice' of geometry the OP made with monster head tube and short stem. The owner could have easily sized down for more traditional Domane fit.

Endurance bikes generally aren't going to win the Hot category. Their proportions belie that. But the blue Domane fit is a severe case because of the choice the owner made on geometry. There are endurance bikes out there with 2-3 inches of drop that look pretty good.

Cancellara's Domane with about 4-5 inches of drop he rides in the Paris Roubaix looks hot by contrast below: Custom H1 geometry which he sizes down from.


Yup, also note that in addition to the small and stretched frame Cancellara used a long stem and traditional deep, round handlebars without a flat transition from the bars to the top of the levers. A classic setup which I also prefer in the configuration of my own bikes...


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Originally Posted by joejack951
Awkward angle for the photo, really compact bars on a massive frame, and a saddle bag? C'mon, man. No wonder you got whipped last time Nice frame and I love the old Campy levers with it. If the pedals work for you, great but the white finish is even more out of place on that bike than the black crankset is on mine.
the worst thing about those pedals is that I also bought the race version back then, but kept these ones.


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Originally Posted by Timo 2.0
There are several people who can de-anodise and polish the stem. For example Chris Howard at CycloRetro: https://www.cycloretro.com/pricing
it's not hard to do. The crankset on the Guerciotti is polished. It took a couple of hours to do, but it's absolutely stunning.

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Originally Posted by noodle soup
it's not hard to do. The crankset on the Guerciotti is polished. It took a couple of hours to do, but it's absolutely stunning.

Looks good! But did you have to de-anodise them? I've done that a few times (Campagnolo wheels, Scott bars, ZG brakes) but I would be a bit reluctant to de-anodise and polish a lightweight and as such thin-walled stem myself.
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Originally Posted by Timo 2.0
Looks good! But did you have to de-anodise them? I've done that a few times (Campagnolo wheels, Scott bars, ZG brakes) but I would be a bit reluctant to de-anodise and polish a lightweight and as such thin-walled stem myself.
I had to de-anodise them, and sand down some scratches. They looked beat before, so I had to do something.
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Originally Posted by joejack951
Awkward angle for the photo, really compact bars on a massive frame, and a saddle bag? C'mon, man. No wonder you got whipped last time
Here's a different angle. I had to change the water bottle cages for obvious reasons. The yellow tape is a better color match now, after it got some use.

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Originally Posted by Timo 2.0
Yup, also note that in addition to the small and stretched frame Cancellara used a long stem and traditional deep, round handlebars without a flat transition from the bars to the top of the levers. A classic setup which I also prefer in the configuration of my own bikes...

Lovely frameset, but oh those French components. I wish I had one of those saddles again. They still make a Turbo, but the faux suede cover blows.
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Originally Posted by mbw

Thanks for opinions, good or bad. Any thoughts on the cages?
Nice bike, dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

I think personally it would look better with black cages. Let the frame be the frame, and everything else black. Similarly, I think it would look weird with a blue bar tape or blue saddle, you need some contrast in there.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
Lovely frameset, but oh those French components. I wish I had one of those saddles again. They still make a Turbo, but the faux suede cover blows.
Luckily the whole bike was technically sound (guess the previous owner hardly rode it before he stored it) so the wretched French headset and BB only needed some new grease. Upgraded the derailleurs to Simplex Super LJ and the brakes to Spidels, added modern brake pads, Suntour bar-end shifters, etc. The wheels have a 10sp Campagnolo cassette because I noticed that the LJ derailleur has enough range (struggles a bit with the biggest cog so it is effectively a 9sp setup but it is an improvement over the old 5sp freewheel) and it is very useful that I can run the wheels from my other bikes in this bike too). Switched the original 52x42 chainrings to a nos 46 and a modified 36 ring (Miche Junior 116 BCD filed out to fit the 118 BCD crank). The saddle is indeed a gem which came with another Peugeot I bought (these leather Turbos in nos condition are usually sold for more than the whole that bike cost me).
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Originally Posted by Timo 2.0
That would require some work but far from impossible. The Syntace F139 was available in -17° but 105mm (easily compensated with bars which have a bit more reach), There are several people who can de-anodise and polish the stem. For example Chris Howard at CycloRetro: https://www.cycloretro.com/pricing
I started with a black Kalloy Uno stem, removed the anodizing on the visible sections only (so as not to disturb the critical tolerance on the clamping zones) using a Scotch Brite wheel, then buffed with a cotton wheel and polishing compound. Was a lot of work but I got the results I wanted when off-the-shelf failed to provide it. I didn't do a before and after weight but I tried to keep metal removal to the bare minimum.
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Originally Posted by joejack951
I started with a black Kalloy Uno stem, removed the anodizing on the visible sections only (so as not to disturb the critical tolerance on the clamping zones) using a Scotch Brite wheel, then buffed with a cotton wheel and polishing compound. Was a lot of work but I got the results I wanted when off-the-shelf failed to provide it. I didn't do a before and after weight but I tried to keep metal removal to the bare minimum.
In that case it is time for you to source an F139 and repeat that process

Here's a -17 one on an alu frame but you'll get the idea of how slim it is...
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Originally Posted by Timo 2.0
Yup, also note that in addition to the small and stretched frame Cancellara used a long stem and traditional deep, round handlebars without a flat transition from the bars to the top of the levers. A classic setup which I also prefer in the configuration of my own bikes...
Traditional deep, angular handlebars actually (link).
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With my headset design, you can pick any stem you like (length, angle, finish) and easily swap it out for something else should the need arise. And if the design is successful enough, what do you think the next item I plan on making is?
Hey, what now? I missed something here.

Now that I look again, I should have noticed something was up; you've got a threadless headset on the original fork, and IIRC you said you're running an adapter rather than having replaced the steerer... What gives?

Also, nice job polishing the Kalloy Uno, but I tried one of those... flexy as hell, needs about 20g more metal. I had one for the same reason as you; wanted 17°. Swapped it for a Zipp.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup

So I take it that's a shot of the first and last time you leaned your tyre against a cactus? Did that once myself...
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So I take it that's a shot of the first and last time you leaned your tyre against a cactus? Did that once myself...
there's a rock between the spines and the tire.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
there's a rock between the spines and the tire.
Nice one. Not as dumb as me
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Originally Posted by Kimmo
Hey, what now? I missed something here.

Now that I look again, I should have noticed something was up; you've got a threadless headset on the original fork, and IIRC you said you're running an adapter rather than having replaced the steerer... What gives?
Ssshhh...don’t let noodle soup see me shamelessly promoting my product for a second time:

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Also, nice job polishing the Kalloy Uno, but I tried one of those... flexy as hell, needs about 20g more metal. I had one for the same reason as you; wanted 17°. Swapped it for a Zipp.
Regardless of how well polished or flexible it is, that Syntace stem would look much better on my frame. Hopefully I can track one down or something close to it. Did they make them for 31.8mm bars? I don’t care if the stem is 105mm vs. 110. Some MTB stems only go up to like 90mm which wouldn’t work for me.
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Ssshhh...don’t let noodle soup see me shamelessly promoting my product for a second time:

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Originally Posted by joejack951
Did they make them for 31.8mm bars?
Unfortunately not. They're 26.0mm. They did the F109 for 31.8mm but those were only made with a 6° angle
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Originally Posted by Timo 2.0
Unfortunately not. They're 26.0mm. They did the F109 for 31.8mm but those were only made with a 6° angle
Ok, that explains why I never found a better option than the Kalloy Uno for my purposes. I'll see what I can do about blending these stems into the ideal pairing for my headset...Stay tuned
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Originally Posted by joejack951
Ok, that explains why I never found a better option than the Kalloy Uno for my purposes. I'll see what I can do about blending these stems into the ideal pairing for my headset...Stay tuned
I'm curious why you prefer 31.8mm bars.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
I'm curious why you prefer 31.8mm bars.
When I originally conceived the build for my Trek, the plan was to use all Ritchey Classic components (handlebars, stem, and seatpost) for that matchy-matchy look. I have always had good luck with Ritchey stuff (save for a slightly creaky pairing of some 26mm WCS bars and stem) and liked the curve, reach, and drop of the Classic bars a lot. I followed through with that plan only to later realize that I really disliked the -6° stem angle, hence the switch to the Kalloy. I was tied into the 31.8mm bars at that point and given my past experiences with 26mm bars (albeit limited) and the fact that nearly every new bar is 31.8mm, it seems to make sense to stick with that standard.
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