Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Hot r Not

Notices
Road Cycling ďIt is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.Ē -- Ernest Hemingway

Hot r Not

Old 09-24-18, 06:55 PM
  #27201  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,505

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 353 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20789 Post(s)
Liked 9,429 Times in 4,662 Posts
Originally Posted by joejack951
Ha! Yeah, I meant a scale shot.
Ah, that. Give him a couple days to line up a scale shot with him supporting some of the weight just out of frame.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 07:16 PM
  #27202  
growlerdinky
Duke Ulysses
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 800

Bikes: An old orange one for dirt, and for the other stuff: a white one, a kinda mint green one, and a black one.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 165 Post(s)
Liked 175 Times in 86 Posts
Originally Posted by MyTi


My bike weighs 16 with pedals, cages.. This is thin wallled 6-4 Ti. Your bike is 22 pounds I estimate. Youíve never weighed that bike and if you did you are contradicting your own belief system!!!! You are a lightweight at 195lbs. Iím 292 pounds and I feel the difference on a lightweight bike.
growlerdinky is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 07:51 PM
  #27203  
canyoneagle
Senior Member
 
canyoneagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 4,692

Bikes: Vassago Moosknuckle Ti 29+ XTR, 90's Merckx Corsa-01 9sp Record, PROJECT: 1954 Frejus SuperCorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 174 Post(s)
Liked 149 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by MyTi


My bike weighs 16 with pedals, cages.. This is thin wallled 6-4 Ti. Your bike is 22 pounds I estimate. You’ve never weighed that bike and if you did you are contradicting your own belief system!!!! You are a lightweight at 195lbs. I’m 292 pounds and I feel the difference on a lightweight bike.



Your bravado is offputting.

Here.
With bottle cages installed.
You are seriously trolling.
That is my (oh so heavy 240g) saddle in the hook.
So, a 4 pound (claimed) difference. I'm not seeing this in the Ti choice alone, since your frame and fork are not that much lighter than my frame/fork.
For a guy like me, that's less than 2% difference in rider/bike weight.
Relax. You are good with your choice. Yours is a good frame. Stop preaching.


Last edited by canyoneagle; 09-24-18 at 08:02 PM.
canyoneagle is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:00 PM
  #27204  
noodle soup
Senior Member
 
noodle soup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 8,915
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4698 Post(s)
Liked 1,877 Times in 995 Posts
Originally Posted by seau grateau
Ah yes, I can see the pounds quite clearly.
It's a nice bike, but it's not "Hot". and there's no ****ing way it's under 18 pounds with pedals and cages.
noodle soup is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:01 PM
  #27205  
joejack951
Senior Member
 
joejack951's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Wilmington, DE
Posts: 12,083

Bikes: 2016 Hong Fu FM-079-F, 1984 Trek 660, 2005 Iron Horse Warrior Expert, 2009 Pedal Force CX1, 2016 Islabikes Beinn 20 (son's)

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1231 Post(s)
Liked 85 Times in 59 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi
Ah, that. Give him a couple days to line up a scale shot with him supporting some of the weight just out of frame.
Oh, I fully expect that. And I also expect weíll be able to find someone on this forum with enough time to add up the weight of all the components on his bike to prove heís FOS.
joejack951 is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:13 PM
  #27206  
canyoneagle
Senior Member
 
canyoneagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 4,692

Bikes: Vassago Moosknuckle Ti 29+ XTR, 90's Merckx Corsa-01 9sp Record, PROJECT: 1954 Frejus SuperCorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 174 Post(s)
Liked 149 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by MyTi


My bike weighs 16 with pedals, cages.. This is thin wallled 6-4 Ti. Your bike is 22 pounds I estimate. Youíve never weighed that bike and if you did you are contradicting your own belief system!!!! You are a lightweight at 195lbs. Iím 292 pounds and I feel the difference on a lightweight bike.
You, sir, are a master of beating physics.

I like your bike. Very nice.
Read up on physics.
canyoneagle is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:13 PM
  #27207  
noodle soup
Senior Member
 
noodle soup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 8,915
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4698 Post(s)
Liked 1,877 Times in 995 Posts
Originally Posted by joejack951


Oh, I fully expect that. And I also expect weíll be able to find someone on this forum with enough time to add up the weight of all the components on his bike to prove heís FOS.
I have that kind of time.

If someone gives me the list of parts, and an accurate frameset weight, I'll figure it out.
noodle soup is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:16 PM
  #27208  
canyoneagle
Senior Member
 
canyoneagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 4,692

Bikes: Vassago Moosknuckle Ti 29+ XTR, 90's Merckx Corsa-01 9sp Record, PROJECT: 1954 Frejus SuperCorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 174 Post(s)
Liked 149 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by noodle soup
It's a nice bike, but it's not "Hot". and there's no ****ing way it's under 18 pounds with pedals and cages.
To be honest, troll that he is, it is a very nice bike, and I'd consider it pretty hot, if unconventional.
canyoneagle is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:23 PM
  #27209  
canyoneagle
Senior Member
 
canyoneagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 4,692

Bikes: Vassago Moosknuckle Ti 29+ XTR, 90's Merckx Corsa-01 9sp Record, PROJECT: 1954 Frejus SuperCorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 174 Post(s)
Liked 149 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by joejack951


oh, i fully expect that. And i also expect we’ll be able to find someone on this forum with enough time to add up the weight of all the components on his bike to prove he’s fos.
+1
Scale battle!
I'll video mine in the cradle for full context

Damn, feels like I'm in high school again LOL
canyoneagle is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:23 PM
  #27210  
noodle soup
Senior Member
 
noodle soup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 8,915
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4698 Post(s)
Liked 1,877 Times in 995 Posts
Originally Posted by canyoneagle
To be honest, troll that he is, it is a very nice bike, and I'd consider it pretty hot, if unconventional.
It's a nice bike, and I'd be proud to own it, but there's no way I'd ever call it "Hot".
noodle soup is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:24 PM
  #27211  
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: PHL
Posts: 9,948

Bikes: Litespeed Catalyst, IRO Rob Roy, All City Big Block

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1332 Post(s)
Liked 396 Times in 192 Posts
Originally Posted by noodle soup
It's a nice bike, but it's not "Hot". and there's no ****ing way it's under 18 pounds with pedals and cages.
I lol'd at the Origin8 fork.
seau grateau is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:27 PM
  #27212  
canyoneagle
Senior Member
 
canyoneagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 4,692

Bikes: Vassago Moosknuckle Ti 29+ XTR, 90's Merckx Corsa-01 9sp Record, PROJECT: 1954 Frejus SuperCorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 174 Post(s)
Liked 149 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by noodle soup
I have that kind of time.

If someone gives me the list of parts, and an accurate frameset weight, I'll figure it out.
You can start here
FWIW mine is 4.9

canyoneagle is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:31 PM
  #27213  
canyoneagle
Senior Member
 
canyoneagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 4,692

Bikes: Vassago Moosknuckle Ti 29+ XTR, 90's Merckx Corsa-01 9sp Record, PROJECT: 1954 Frejus SuperCorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 174 Post(s)
Liked 149 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi
Ah, that. Give him a couple days to line up a scale shot with him supporting some of the weight just out of frame.

Hence my challenge for a video.
walk up to the scale.
Hang the bike.
Walk back.

I know his will be lighter, but I'm guessing 3 or so pounds. A water bottle or bloat from a hard night.........

Again, feel like gym class in high school.

Perhaps we take the high road.
He's got a great frame and he's 100% on board with Ti.

Last edited by canyoneagle; 09-24-18 at 08:41 PM.
canyoneagle is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:37 PM
  #27214  
joejack951
Senior Member
 
joejack951's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Wilmington, DE
Posts: 12,083

Bikes: 2016 Hong Fu FM-079-F, 1984 Trek 660, 2005 Iron Horse Warrior Expert, 2009 Pedal Force CX1, 2016 Islabikes Beinn 20 (son's)

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1231 Post(s)
Liked 85 Times in 59 Posts
Originally Posted by noodle soup
I have that kind of time.

If someone gives me the list of parts, and an accurate frameset weight, I'll figure it out.
Hereís a well-documented 14.5 lb. Vortex build (see page two before serious weight weenie-ism begins): https://weightweenies.starbike.com/f...c.php?t=144117

On the wheels alone MyTiís bike gives up over a pound to that bike. I would guess that between tires and cassette weíll find the next half pound making him King FOS!
joejack951 is offline  
Old 09-24-18, 08:47 PM
  #27215  
canyoneagle
Senior Member
 
canyoneagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 4,692

Bikes: Vassago Moosknuckle Ti 29+ XTR, 90's Merckx Corsa-01 9sp Record, PROJECT: 1954 Frejus SuperCorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 174 Post(s)
Liked 149 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by joejack951


Here’s a well-documented 14.5 lb. Vortex build (see page two before serious weight weenie-ism begins): https://weightweenies.starbike.com/f...c.php?t=144117

On the wheels alone MyTi’s bike gives up over a pound to that bike. I would guess that between tires and cassette we’ll find the next half pound making him King FOS!


The weight for weight's sake thing is so hilarious to me.

I think it might be an OCD thing for the hard core peeps.
I googled OCD, and once I knew what it is, I created a spreadsheet with calculations based on more google search statistics, and have determined that I am DEFINITELY not OCD. Or, a person in denial. Definitely not that. Even if I was, I wouldn't admit it.

I realize I am participating in a total derailing of the thread.
As you were.

Last edited by canyoneagle; 09-25-18 at 07:20 AM.
canyoneagle is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 01:25 AM
  #27216  
MyTi
6-4 Titanium
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 330
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 92 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 36 Times in 31 Posts
Originally Posted by canyoneagle



Your bravado is offputting.

Here.
With bottle cages installed.
You are seriously trolling.
That is my (oh so heavy 240g) saddle in the hook.
So, a 4 pound (claimed) difference. I'm not seeing this in the Ti choice alone, since your frame and fork are not that much lighter than my frame/fork.
For a guy like me, that's less than 2% difference in rider/bike weight.
Relax. You are good with your choice. Yours is a good frame. Stop preaching.

ok so with pedals you are around 21 pounds, so 5 pound penalty! I was off by a pound. I know there are some light steel frames out there. People forget I am running full carbon wheels, full rim brakes, full deda carbon bars, carbon fork, fabric saddle with Ti rails, etc. this was weighed on a professional scale at a bike shop. yes itís 16lbs with the egg beaters on. If I went more weight weenie it would not be too hard to get to 15
MyTi is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 04:21 AM
  #27217  
Bradleykd
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Georgetown, KY
Posts: 778

Bikes: '89 Eddy Merckx Professional, '12 Felt Z85, '16 Niner Air9 Carbon, '17 Ridley Noah

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 76 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by joejack951


Oh, I fully expect that. And I also expect we’ll be able to find someone on this forum with enough time to add up the weight of all the components on his bike to prove he’s FOS.
Using the posted weights for a 53cm frame, 6700 groupset (shifters, crank, bb, fd, rd, cassette, chain, brakes), all the other obvious stuff, I gave him a cane creek 40 headset, FSA carbon bars, Michelin race lite tubes, and used the weight for my 3T carbon wheels and skewers.

Not counting cages it comes in right at 17lbs.

This doesn't account for the MTB cassette and RD, I don't think those are 6700 shifters, and there is definitely some extra weight in the wheels. I'd say just under 18lbs is probably right.

Still, pretty freakin light for the build.

Last edited by Bradleykd; 09-25-18 at 04:25 AM.
Bradleykd is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 04:39 AM
  #27218  
Bradleykd
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Georgetown, KY
Posts: 778

Bikes: '89 Eddy Merckx Professional, '12 Felt Z85, '16 Niner Air9 Carbon, '17 Ridley Noah

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 76 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by MyTi


ok so with pedals you are around 21 pounds, so 5 pound penalty! I was off by a pound. I know there are some light steel frames out there. People forget I am running full carbon wheels, full rim brakes, full deda carbon bars, carbon fork, fabric saddle with Ti rails, etc. this was weighed on a professional scale at a bike shop. yes itís 16lbs with the egg beaters on. If I went more weight weenie it would not be too hard to get to 15
Deep section carbon wheels are heavy - especially with so many spokes, that big aluminum steer tube on the fork adds a bunch of weight, rim brakes are pretty standard, and carbon bars don't save much weight over aluminum.

If you lose the attitude and exaggeration, people will be a little more forgiving. People like to bully a bully. I'm not sure why you started being a bully, but if you quit all this nonsense will quit. I'd lay low for a bit and come back with commenting Hot or Not for a bit and leave all the exclamation marks out of it.
Bradleykd is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 04:57 AM
  #27219  
joejack951
Senior Member
 
joejack951's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Wilmington, DE
Posts: 12,083

Bikes: 2016 Hong Fu FM-079-F, 1984 Trek 660, 2005 Iron Horse Warrior Expert, 2009 Pedal Force CX1, 2016 Islabikes Beinn 20 (son's)

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1231 Post(s)
Liked 85 Times in 59 Posts
Originally Posted by MyTi


ok so with pedals you are around 21 pounds, so 5 pound penalty! I was off by a pound. I know there are some light steel frames out there. People forget I am running full carbon wheels, full rim brakes, full deda carbon bars, carbon fork, fabric saddle with Ti rails, etc. this was weighed on a professional scale at a bike shop. yes itís 16lbs with the egg beaters on. If I went more weight weenie it would not be too hard to get to 15
You seem to forget that you are using a comparatively heavy frame and fork, not-so-light 50mm deep wheels, wide tires, a MTB derailleur and cassette, and a relatively ho-hum build everywhere else. Your wheels weigh nearly 1600 grams for the pair. That's 200 grams more than the wheels on my 16.65 lb. bike with a frame and fork that come in nearly a pound lighter than yours. Ti rails or not, your saddle gives up ~80 grams to a lightweight saddle like the Fizik Arione R1 on my heavier-than-your-claimed bike. I could go on.

Enjoy your bike.
joejack951 is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 04:59 AM
  #27220  
joejack951
Senior Member
 
joejack951's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Wilmington, DE
Posts: 12,083

Bikes: 2016 Hong Fu FM-079-F, 1984 Trek 660, 2005 Iron Horse Warrior Expert, 2009 Pedal Force CX1, 2016 Islabikes Beinn 20 (son's)

Mentioned: 36 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1231 Post(s)
Liked 85 Times in 59 Posts
Originally Posted by Bradleykd
Still, pretty freakin light for the build.
I agree (but still think it's over 18 lbs. all in). The Vortex is very light for a metal frame. I do wonder how long it will last under a nearly 300 lb. cyclist, though.
joejack951 is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 06:53 AM
  #27221  
seypat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 8,393
Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2982 Post(s)
Liked 2,262 Times in 1,364 Posts
I check in on this thread from time to time. It appears that MyTi is a shill for the Ti frame industry. The way he is constanting hype beasting ti frames is beyond obsession. If he really wanted to do some actual good for those frames, he would take his act to the Clyde forum. If that bike/build can hold up under his stated weight, then there is a big market for it with the Clydes.
seypat is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 06:54 AM
  #27222  
canyoneagle
Senior Member
 
canyoneagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Posts: 4,692

Bikes: Vassago Moosknuckle Ti 29+ XTR, 90's Merckx Corsa-01 9sp Record, PROJECT: 1954 Frejus SuperCorsa

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 174 Post(s)
Liked 149 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by MyTi


ok so with pedals you are around 21 pounds, so 5 pound penalty! I was off by a pound. I know there are some light steel frames out there. People forget I am running full carbon wheels, full rim brakes, full deda carbon bars, carbon fork, fabric saddle with Ti rails, etc. this was weighed on a professional scale at a bike shop. yes it’s 16lbs with the egg beaters on. If I went more weight weenie it would not be too hard to get to 15

<sigh>
Why would you assume no pedals?
That weight is as built, which includes pedals.
As stated before, much of the stated weight difference is build choice, so it is not just frameset weight. Again this difference is (at most) 3 pounds.

Time to get off this crazy train.

Last edited by canyoneagle; 09-25-18 at 06:58 AM.
canyoneagle is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 06:57 AM
  #27223  
kbarch
Senior Member
 
kbarch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 4,286
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1096 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by MyTi


how is this two/three tone mess of a bike even warm. it canít be helped due to the paint job. Iím finding that people here simply lack good taste. my goodness may the lord have mercy on my eyes. growlerdinky must of had his acid reflux cured after seeing this thing. Ok the blue is nice but blue and neon green? No.

as for canyon eagle.... at least itís not pink.
I don't see how the rejection of a specific color or number of colors indicates good taste, only limited taste. That's a personal matter.
It seems to me that the blue, yellow and gray paint job was both imaginative and well-considered, and on the whole it's quite harmonious - an interesting, down-to-earth and breezy combination of those hues. If you ask me, if he'd gone with the more usual variation of royal blue and gold, or any single color, that would have been less tasteful.

I've seen lots of bikes here that showed little imagination and that aren't to my personal taste, but very few that show a lack of taste (I think we're all aficionados here). And while some may have "offended" my sensibilities, none were really in bad taste (that would be pretty unlikely: maybe blades projecting from the hubs, an exposed motor, a syringe and IV tube coming out of a bottle...).
kbarch is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 07:08 AM
  #27224  
growlerdinky
Duke Ulysses
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 800

Bikes: An old orange one for dirt, and for the other stuff: a white one, a kinda mint green one, and a black one.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 165 Post(s)
Liked 175 Times in 86 Posts
Originally Posted by MyTi


ok so with pedals you are around 21 pounds, so 5 pound penalty! I was off by a pound. I know there are some light steel frames out there. People forget I am running full carbon wheels, full rim brakes, full deda carbon bars, carbon fork, fabric saddle with Ti rails, etc. this was weighed on a professional scale at a bike shop. yes itís 16lbs with the egg beaters on. If I went more weight weenie it would not be too hard to get to 15
Ugly bike, though.
growlerdinky is offline  
Old 09-25-18, 07:36 AM
  #27225  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 37,605
Mentioned: 208 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17456 Post(s)
Liked 13,548 Times in 6,440 Posts
Sorry, but it's only a Litespeed. Ti for the masses.
indyfabz is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.