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New Bike, NO Shimano

Old 08-10-08, 11:32 AM
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New Bike, NO Shimano

So I have not had a new bike in over 2.5 years and the itch is setting in. Put approx. 2.5k miles on both my road bikes (ea.). Have a Ibex Aprisa Team w/ full shimano ultegra Al. frame. Other is a Tomasso Aggrizato w/ mostly dura ace, token saddle, stem, fsa carbon pro crank, full CF frame, ultegra brifters on both.

Looking at a new bike with either sram or campy....force or chorus respectively. I have nothing against ultegra at all, its just that I have it, used it, like it, etc. I want something different to ride and experience.
Almost everything I see and look at is ultegra equipped.

What is out there without ultegra? Heard bad things about campy below centaur.

I have exactly $2654.35 +/- $40 (MAX) to spend. Started a bike fund 3 months ago.
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Old 08-10-08, 11:35 AM
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Campy Veloce works almost the same as Centaur, and a bit cheaper. Nothing wrong with Veloce.

https://bianchiusa.com/08_b4p_1885_veloce.html
https://www.performancebike.com/shop/...slisearch=true

Or build your own? Veloce groupset costs like $500 from PBK.
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My '07 Chorus group has been awesome. No deficiencies to be found anywhere.

My TT bike will be equipped with Force. Unfortunately I won't have the DoubleTap shifters to try out, but I'm sure I'll post about my experiences with the TT/Tri version at some point.
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Using Veloce shifters and FD/RD on my latest build. Work great if you don't mind the Escape Mech. Also using a Veloce cassette and chain, they work just dandy.
Rumor is Centaur is going back to the ratcheting system for the new re-design of the shifters, so if you're going Campy, you may want to wait till the new model year.

That being said, I am using Record brake calipers and a Centaur UT crank, fwiw.
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Are you keeping either of the old bikes?

If so, you might want to rethink this. The ability to interchange wheels and cassettes is a good thing.

If you really want to avoid Shimano, and are keeping the old bikes, I'd give strong consideration to SRAM because of the compatibility issue.
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Above. Yes, keeping both bikes. Doubt if I will ever switch things except for wheels.
Compatibility issues are nice.

May sell the tomasso, only because its a 57cm frame and I think its too small at 6ft, 34 inch inseam.
Ibex is a 60cm and feels much better.
They claim at 6ft, 33-34 inch inseam any thing between 56 and 60cm frame size will do.

Sights are on chorus with itm, deda trinkets with mavic kyrisum elite's although there goes my max funds.
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Originally Posted by ThinLine
May sell the tomasso, only because its a 57cm frame and I think its too small at 6ft, 34 inch inseam.
Ibex is a 60cm and feels much better.
They claim at 6ft, 33-34 inch inseam any thing between 56 and 60cm frame size will do.
https://www.competitivecyclist.com/za...O_LINK=NOREDIR

Surprisingly accurate... I just punched in my numbers and it was within a cm of all the settings on my bike.
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I don't mean to rain on your parade, but a bike with only 2.5k miles on it isn't worth replacing.

If you want to buy some speed and bling, maybe you should buy a new groupset from PBK or some new wheels. That'll lighten up your bike, make it feel very different, and schwagify it.

Maybe replace the Ultegra bike with a SRAM group to keep the wheels working together?

Ultegra--> Veloce isn't worth it in my book.

Edit: I read about the fit issue since one bike may be too small. In that case, go for it! Sell it, and get something that fits. You'll spend less on a groupset if you buy a full bike. You could get a great bike with SRAM Rival or Force for the kind of cash you're putting in.
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I've used Veloce for the last two years and I am switching to SRAM.
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https://pedalforce.com/online/product...ducts_id=10365

https://www.coloradocyclist.com/product/kit/TITAAS1E-9

https://www.coloradocyclist.com/product/kit/MRLAAS8L-7

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I'd recommend either springing for the red shifters over force (only an extra $30) or waiting for '09 force. Either one will have much better front-ring shifting than the '08 force shifters.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
My '07 Chorus group has been awesome. No deficiencies to be found anywhere.

My TT bike will be equipped with Force. Unfortunately I won't have the DoubleTap shifters to try out, but I'm sure I'll post about my experiences with the TT/Tri version at some point.
REI has Novara bikes equipped with Rival
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Originally Posted by ThinLine
Put approx. 2.5k miles on both my road bikes (ea.).
Shoot, they're barely broke in.
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just put on my force with a mix of rival, I don't know what you all are talking about with your fd shifting being messed up. I ran an ultegra cassette in the back with a DA chain though due to reading complains on noise, team astana also runs da chains
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I'm not sure Veloce is durable. I've only been riding mine for 10 years -- all original, and surprisingly few adjustments during that time. No bragging rights whatsoever. I really regret being so cheap when I bought the bike.
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Originally Posted by Lazyass
Shoot, they're barely broke in.
+1

**** I started riding my Trek in Jan and put 1500 miles on it, and I was off the bike from May-Jul. Just upgrade your grouppo your bikes are brand new.
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Originally Posted by Lazyass
Shoot, they're barely broke in.
We've got 2500 K on the Tandem, which we picked up on Memorial Day weekend, and it's not my primary bike.
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I've got force gruppo on one bike, ultregra on the other. Force is a significant upgrade from ultegra, though it does have a different feel to it.

The FD "issues" with SRAM are overblown, in my experience. You do have to be a little more painstaking with your original setup with SRAM, but once set up I think the FD actually shifts better and is less prone to chain rub than ultegra, even without the big ring trim.
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Originally Posted by yogi13
The FD "issues" with SRAM are overblown, in my experience. You do have to be a little more painstaking with your original setup with SRAM, but once set up I think the FD actually shifts better and is less prone to chain rub than ultegra, even without the big ring trim.
I only had problems with the Red FD. I think it was a combination of the s-works chainrings, flexy FD, and flexy clamp adapter, it just refused to shift up 50% of the time. Replaced it with the Force FD off my TCR and it works fine. Put the Red FD on my TCR and it works fine there. I just crossed the flexiness threshold...
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Thanks for the input.
Really leaning towards Campy Chorus, although I'm told Force will be better and more rugged.
Only real experience with campy has been record group w/ delta brakes from 1991 on my Basso Lotto.


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