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Paceline (Group) vs. Solo Speed

Old 08-11-08, 07:33 PM
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Paceline (Group) vs. Solo Speed

On a flat road with little wind, expending the same output (effort), how much faster do you typically go in a tight paceline over what you would go if riding solo? I have no group/paceline experience, but having experience with wind (Kansas, you know), I'm guessing at least a 5mph boost for the paceline. What's the reality?
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Old 08-11-08, 07:40 PM
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It's more than just your speed. I rarely dictate the speed in my pack but we're pulling about 25-30 for a couple flat miles. It would be hard for me to do the same route at the same speed solo. But I also have more motivation riding with a group than solo, and feel like I'm able to push harder to keep up with someone else.
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I'd say roughly about 5 km/hr (err 3 mph). The other bonus is that the paceline (depending on its size) can sustain that speed for much longer, because everyone is getting a 'rest' when they aren't at the front.
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Old 08-11-08, 07:56 PM
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Paceline = treadmill
Solo = track

My fastest mile on a treadmill is 5:03 but my fastest mile on a track is 5:44.
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Old 08-11-08, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by akansaskid View Post
....... I'm guessing at least a 5mph boost for the paceline. What's the reality?
Depends on how frisky the guys are that day, but yeah, you could easily see a 5 mph difference in average speed on a flat ride, IME.
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Old 08-11-08, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DanielS View Post
I'd say roughly about 5 km/hr (err 3 mph). The other bonus is that the paceline (depending on its size) can sustain that speed for much longer, because everyone is getting a 'rest' when they aren't at the front.
+1... I average 18 mph solo over 30 miles or more. We'll average 21 mph or more in a group riding pacelines. And, as stated, higher speeds can be sustained over greater distances.
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Old 08-11-08, 08:12 PM
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Depends on speed. Also depends on slize of the group, and whether its a single file group, or a pack. However, I'd say 5 mph on flat ground with a big group is not that far off.

Sub 5 hour solo Century for me is about the same as a sub 4 hour with a big group.
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Old 08-11-08, 08:28 PM
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Depends on a lot of factors, but I've heard about 20% or so less effort when drafting. It feels like even more.
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Yeah, 5 mph. Went on a 27 mile paceline ride today (my first group ride) and we averaged 23.7 mph. Same distance for me would be about 18 mph. Of course, I about died in the paceline, but that's another story. Motivation is definitely a key factor. If I have a wheel to follow it gives me more motivation.
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just make sure to keep eating as you would on your solo rides...Drafting may be easy but it gets hard when you legs don't wan to move anymore.
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Originally Posted by DanielS View Post
I'd say roughly about 5 km/hr (err 3 mph). The other bonus is that the paceline (depending on its size) can sustain that speed for much longer, because everyone is getting a 'rest' when they aren't at the front.
agreed with this. i dont ride in big, clustered group, just a line of 4-5 people with about 2-5 ft of tire-tire separation, and i get about 2-3+ mph gain with same exerted effort
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Last Tuesday: 18.8 mph over 25 miles solo out and back
Last Wednesday: 21.2 mph over 41 miles group

Mild rollers and very light wind both rides.
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It was a night and day difference for me the few times I've done it. It was a combination of motivation and drafting. Didn't have a computer when I actually road in a group paceline. Just got one recently so I'm curious what type of difference in times/speeds I'll make. The butt-o-meter says roughly 5mph.
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It's usually about 3 mph for me. Comparing the fastest pace I can hold in a pack in a criterium to an absolute all out time trial usually gives me in that range. It's never more than 4 miles per hour.
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Originally Posted by erliuic View Post
Paceline = treadmill
Solo = track

My fastest mile on a treadmill is 5:03 but my fastest mile on a track is 5:44.
Nah, not for me. I'm considerably faster outdoors.
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Nah, not for me. I'm considerably faster outdoors.
me too. i find i can control the effort better when outside. ease up and speed up as needed. the treadmill is a constant effort (unless you adjust it up and done). later.
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I also breathe much better outdoors, the air is always fresher which is going to affect my mile.
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Nah, not for me. I'm considerably faster outdoors.
I'm not much of a runner so when I run with the treadmill, I just dial in the speed at 12 mph and run until I'm toast. When I run outside, I have to maintain my own pace.
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There have been days when 27mph in the middle of a big pack is noticeably easier than 21mph by myself.
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Originally Posted by erliuic View Post
Paceline = treadmill
Solo = track

My fastest mile on a treadmill is 5:03 but my fastest mile on a track is 5:44.
No. Not at all. Your treadmill mile is probably faster because treadmills are miscalibrated, and you dont have to push off the ground.

Paceline = race with a pack
Solo = timetrial by yourself

Its the exact same thing. Its much easier to sustain a fast past with a group, but for running its more because of mental reasons as drafting makes little difference.
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pacelining makes you weak.

solo is where it's at! just imagine you're pulling a huge paceline behind you if that's what you want.
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My average speeds are always higher when I ride in a group. 2-5 mph difference depending on the ride and who's in the group ride.
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
pacelining makes you weak.
Incorrect. Pacelines can make for great intervals and overspeed work.
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Incorrect. Pacelines can make for great intervals and overspeed work.
Agreed - I'd be nowhere close to where I'm at currently without having the motivation of moving up to the "next level" group-ride that I've had over the last year.
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