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Old 08-16-08, 03:43 PM
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SRAM Red Upgrade.....

I currently have a 2008 Madone 5.2 with Ultegra SL compact. Considering upgrading to Sram RED but would like to know if it is worth the expense. I am generally happy with the SL but like the idea of losing some weight and the doouble tap shifters are interesting too. I would like comments form SRAM users about the pro's and con's of SRAM vs Shimano.

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Converted from DA to Red earlier this season.

Likes:

Cleaner cable routing
Weight
Ceramic bearings in pullies
Double tap shifting
Speed of shifts
Adjustable reach and throw

Dislikes:
Noise - shifts are accompanied by a rather loud clunk. Nothing wrong just loud
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Old 08-16-08, 04:27 PM
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It's not cost justified on performance alone. If it was getting worn i'd say do it. I did because I was getting a new frame. I upgraded from 8-speed DA to SRAM Rival so I needed new stuff and I wanted hidden cable routing.
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i went from ultegra to SRAM and i've notice that the sram requires alot of adjsutments to the FD and RD... i would go for months before having to do anything to the ultegra. as much as I enjoy the double tap and speed of the sram i'm considering going back to shimano.
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Old 08-16-08, 04:49 PM
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by the title i thought you had sram red already and want to upgrade to campy.
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I have hundreds of mile on my rival and have only had to adjust the FD once. Never touched the rear.
I'm building a new bike with Red, hope I have the same luck
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Old 08-16-08, 05:06 PM
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I just saw good prices on Ebay and thought if there were both performance and weight advantages it might be worth Ebaying the Ultegra stuff and upgrading. I am hearing that the Sram stuff may not be as smooth as Shimano. Probably should wait and see if Shimano changes Ultegra to be styled like the 2009 Dura Ace in the next couple of years....My other bikes have been Dura Ace and I actually cannot tell much difference in shifting performance between the D/A and the Ultegra SL, I did buy a D/A rear derailleur because they have the plastic liner that makes them shift quieter than the Ultegra derailleurs. Saying that, from what I am hearing, RED may be too noisy for me.
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I switched from Ultegra/Dura Ace to Force. Loving the double tap shifting. I like the hoods better on the Ultegra, but everything goes to SRAM. Quicker and more precise shifting IMO.
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IMHO, not worth it.
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Old 08-16-08, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tobycat View Post
Converted from DA to Red earlier this season.

Likes:

Cleaner cable routing
Weight
Ceramic bearings in pullies
Double tap shifting
Speed of shifts
Adjustable reach and throw

Dislikes:
Noise - shifts are accompanied by a rather loud clunk. Nothing wrong just loud
I made the same switch this year. I second all the above, although mine isn't all that noisy. The weight difference was noticeable.
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Old 08-16-08, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Surferbruce View Post
by the title i thought you had sram red already and want to upgrade to campy.
He said UPGRADE
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Old 08-16-08, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by LtSPD2000 View Post
I currently have a 2008 Madone 5.2 with Ultegra SL compact. Considering upgrading to Sram RED but would like to know if it is worth the expense. I am generally happy with the SL but like the idea of losing some weight and the doouble tap shifters are interesting too. I would like comments form SRAM users about the pro's and con's of SRAM vs Shimano.

thanks!
I love Red, but you should probably look at the 2009 Force or Rival, which incorporates the Red improvements, at a little higher weight, for a lot less money...
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Old 08-16-08, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ilvwhtgrls View Post
i went from ultegra to SRAM and i've notice that the sram requires alot of adjsutments to the FD and RD... i would go for months before having to do anything to the ultegra. as much as I enjoy the double tap and speed of the sram i'm considering going back to shimano.
I have 10,000 miles on my Red and another 10,000+ on Force, and I rarely have to adjust anything. Obviously I have to tweak the RD tension when I change wheels. I did have some issues with the flex in the Red FD but was solved by switching to the Force FD. I moved the Red FD to another bike and have no issues with it there.
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Old 08-18-08, 06:23 AM
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Thanks for the input. I probably should stay with what I have for the time being and see what 2009 brings.
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Old 08-18-08, 06:34 AM
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You're talking close to $1,000 dollars to save what 200 grams? And have no meaningful difference in the shift quality. Personally I wouldn't.
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The doubletap is cool but I can't say it would be worth the switch. I've mulled switching from Ultegra to Force/Rival for a while. If I was having problems with my Ultegra that would be one thing but it's hard to justify the expense when what I have works so "spot on" everytime.
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Originally Posted by kblacy View Post
The doubletap is cool but I can't say it would be worth the switch. I've mulled switching from Ultegra to Force/Rival for a while. If I was having problems with my Ultegra that would be one thing but it's hard to justify the expense when what I have works so "spot on" everytime.
When I destroyed two sets of 105 shifters in a year the choice was obvious...
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Originally Posted by Medpilot View Post
I switched from Ultegra/Dura Ace to Force. Loving the double tap shifting. I like the hoods better on the Ultegra, but everything goes to SRAM. Quicker and more precise shifting IMO.
you're joking.

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I made the same switch this year. I second all the above, although mine isn't all that noisy. The weight difference was noticeable.
sure.
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Old 08-18-08, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
When I destroyed two sets of 105 shifters in a year the choice was obvious...
I've ridden Ultegra for years and besides a shifter being totaled in a crash I have never had a problem.
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Originally Posted by kblacy View Post
I've ridden Ultegra for years and besides a shifter being totaled in a crash I have never had a problem.
I was told that the part that failed both times was much higher quality in Ultegra. But regardless, the experience has soured me on Shimano and I have been more than happy with SRAM. FWIW, both failed after 10,000 miles...
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Originally Posted by ilvwhtgrls View Post
i went from ultegra to SRAM and i've notice that the sram requires alot of adjsutments to the FD and RD... i would go for months before having to do anything to the ultegra. as much as I enjoy the double tap and speed of the sram i'm considering going back to shimano.
I have Red in compact- the fd is really finicky when it comes to cable tension - there's a really narrow window of adjustment where shifting to the big ring is immediate and crisp - if it's set too loose it's pretty lackluster. I ended up getting it close in the stand, but fine tuned it with my inline cable adjusters when riding - haven't really had to touch it since, but it had me a little worried/disappointed at first.
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^^^ The Red FD sucks, it flexes too much. The rest of the group is great.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
^^^ The Red FD sucks, it flexes too much. The rest of the group is great.
i've read that a couple of times, but I can't say that I'm 100% convinced that it's the case. i've been pretty happy with it for the past few months. in any event competitive cyclist has the 09' rival fd for $45, so i'll probably go that route once the one i have starts getting beat.
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Originally Posted by sers View Post
i've read that a couple of times, but I can't say that I'm 100% convinced that it's the case. i've been pretty happy with it for the past few months. in any event competitive cyclist has the 09' rival fd for $45, so i'll probably go that route once the one i have starts getting beat.
I have both a Red FD and a Force FD. I can tell you that the Red FD most certainly does flex a lot. You can pick it up and flex it easily with your finger with very little force. The Force FD doesn't flex nearly as much. As for how this will affect your shifting.... the answer is that it depends. I got a few thousand miles out of mine before I started having problems with it, but it became more and more sensitive to adjustment until it practically would never shift at all. I would watch it try to shift, and you could see it just didn't have the strength to move the chain. It let the chain push it around instead of vice-versa. Part of the problem is the clamp adapter that I have, which is also somewhat flexy. The two combined became unworkable. I had the Force FD on my other bike, so I swapped them. Force bike has Red FD and Red bike has Force FD. They both work fine now. I haven't ridden by old bike with the Red FD since then but others have, so I can't say for sure, but the shifting doesn't seem quite as precise as it did when it had the Force FD.
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Originally Posted by Surferbruce View Post
by the title i thought you had sram red already and want to upgrade to campy.

That's not an updgrade
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