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I'm scared of recumbents

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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
No, we ride our own bikes...to me a tandem is a sure road to either the nuthouse or divorce court...or both!
Too many wordy responses on this thread now. Spend 1 day actually working and totally lose track of the old bearded guys thread's progress.

...when did we start talking about tandems too?
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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
No, we ride our own bikes...to me a tandem is a sure road to either the nuthouse or divorce court...or both!
One of my riding friends is blind. The only way he can enjoy cycling is to stoke. My daughter loves riding a tandem with me. It slows me down (she is only 8 and the frame is heavy!), but who cares? It is great quality time with my baby.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
Man...that's so incorrect I don't even know where to start. Having ridden for over 10-11 hours at a time on multiple occassions and not having any kind of saddle pain...you're...just wrong.

Apparently he wasn't talking about riding, but just sitting on the saddle for 8 hours

Other than tell me that I was incorrect about sitting on my saddle for 8 hours, he hasn't come returned to back his ridiculous statement. He is clearly blowing hot air out of his ass.
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I can never figure out why anyone would ride a recumbent.

Lord I have tried to understand but I cannot.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
Man...that's so incorrect I don't even know where to start. Having ridden for over 10-11 hours at a time on multiple occassions and not having any kind of saddle pain...you're...just wrong.
That statement is highly doubtful, personally, I can't even lay in bed for over 8 hours without discomfort, let alone sitting on a bike seat. Good for you if you don't feel saddle discomfort, everyone has different level of tolerance for discomfort, I simply don't believe that's true after few hours of riding or sitting, but I didn't go so far as saying you are incorrect.

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Apparently he wasn't talking about riding, but just sitting on the saddle for 8 hours

Other than tell me that I was incorrect about sitting on my saddle for 8 hours, he hasn't come returned to back his ridiculous statement. He is clearly blowing hot air out of his ass.
Same could be said of your posting, other than telling me that I was incorrect, your posting has no mention of your experience in riding a recumbent. If you don't similar riding experiences between regular bikes and recumbent bikes, how can you make a just comaprison between the two?

So both of you have ridden for period of 11 hours continueously, so try training for that ride distance that on an "appropriately fitted" recumbent bike and accomplish the same ride on an "appropriately fitted" recumbent bike, then if you still feel the same about recumbents, that would be a just comparison.
More than likely neither one of you is willing to make the (time and money) investment(s) to make a just comparison, your minds are likely made up about recumbents.. so just keep making your (incorrect) claims and riding your bikes.

To say that you have you feel no saddle discomfort after long rides is similar to saying that I don't tickle, you can't prove nor disprove the factuality.

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Originally Posted by pista View Post
I can never figure out why anyone would ride a recumbent.

Lord I have tried to understand but I cannot.
Just in the interests of protecting your perineum should be enough but presuming you're being sincere;

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You're sitting on a comfortable seat, with no pressure on your wrists, butt, neck or shoulders. Your back is fully supported and at the end of the ride, nothing hurts. Plus there are some added bonuses. You don't have to sacrifice aerodynamic efficiency to be comfortable and you have a great view of the scenery. Most people feel it's easy to learn to ride a recumbent and many have increased their riding mileage since switching to a recumbent.

Not enough?

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Reasons for Recumbents
There are several good reasons to ride a recumbent bicycle. I will cover these below in greater detail.

But first I would like to mention the fact that often people choose a recumbent after they have many years of using other bikes, and after they have reached an age where they are no longer socially insecure. In prior years, recumbent riders were overwhelmingly middle aged. Lately you are starting to see more young riders ....

One of the most frequently cited reasons for riding a recumbent bike is the comfortable seat. Many people find the having weight on their arms or wrists is unbearable for longer periods with advancing age. Others just never seem to get used to a typical bike seat and find the lawn chair like seats of recumbents more comfortable.

Make no mistake about it recumbents are very comfortable. However, many recumbent enthusiasts go way overboard in denigrating the typical bike seat, claiming they would never go back to that "horrible" seat. However, the upright's seat would not seem so uncomfortable if the rider rode more frequently.

Long tours are especially comfortable on some of the long wheel based recumbents. You can ride all day and not have any sore spots. Also, as you sit in a more natural posture, your neck does not get sore. and you see more of your surroundings.

Stress Injuries
Recumbents are often a way whereby people with repetitive stress injuries to the wrist, neck, or back can continue to ride bikes. Quite often such injuries make it impossible to bear any weight on ones hands, as is necessary when leaning on the handlebars. Injuries to the back or neck can also keep people off a regular bike, but seldom present a problem for recumbent bikes.

Cycling is still possible with many such injuries if the position on the bike is changed. The upright seating posture of most recumbents is more like sitting in a chair, and reduces stress on arms and neck. Offsetting this, often there is additional stress is placed on knees, especially among new recumbent riders. We will cover this below.

Speed
Recumbents hold all human powered speed records. Period! The world’s cycling organizations, or even national cycling organizations such as the USCF recognize none of these records. These organizations have decided that the diamond frame bike (traditional road bike) is the only device they will admit to the record books. Recumbent enthusiasts insist that this is because they know that recumbents are faster and would take all records if given a chance.

Of course that's true, but the winners of recumbent records would be the same world-class cyclists who race in the Tour De France. So a recumbent isn’t going to make you a world record holder. You still need world class legs and lungs. Therefore the argument that the USCF "fears" recumbents seems rather weak in that the same super athletes (USCF members for the most part) would still be winning.

The truth is that every sport has the right, in fact the duty, to limit the equipment that may be used. Equipment that lends a tremendous advantage does not reflect the merits of the athlete. Sport, after all, is supposed to be a competition of strength and skill among human beings. Competitors should rightly be limited to similar equipment. There was a time, sadly long past, when the Tour provided the same bikes to all competitors.

None of the above does anything to diminish the fact that most recumbents are fast bikes. This is due predominantly to the better aerodynamics of a recumbent bicycle. The cyclist is usually seated lower, (wind speed near the ground is usually less than found just a couple feet higher up), and the seating position on most recumbents provides a smaller wind target than most upright bikes.

This translates into measurably faster speeds. Many cyclists who ride both types of bike (diamond frame as well as recumbents) report 3 to 8 mph faster average speeds on the recumbent bikes.

Add to this the low seating position, and the effect is not unlike being in a low slung sports car. Sitting low to the ground just seems faster than the same speed at a higher elevation.

Safety
Virtually all falls from a recumbent dump you unceremoniously on your butt next to your bike. It is almost impossible to go "over the bars" and land on your head. Very few crashes result in extensive road rash as is often experienced in falls from higher bikes. Crashes with Trikes are virtually unheard of.

It is possible to slide out in a tight turn, but if you do so on a recumbent, you will usually have a lot shorter distance to fall than you would from a regular bike.

Because of the novelty factor (see below) recumbents often get more attention and consideration from motorists.

View

When was the last time you were able to ride along the road looking up at soaring eagles rather than down at the pavement ahead of you? On a recumbent bike the view is wonderful, and you see things you never notice on an upright bike. After a long ride, your neck is not tired from holding your head up all day.

Fun

‘Bents are just plain fun to ride. It’s a whole different experience. Among recumbent enthusiasts there is something known as the "recumbent grin". You will see it on the face of every new recumbent rider just seconds after they master the steering and balance. You bank into corners like a jet fighter pilot. You are riding low and fast like an Italian roadster on a mountain road. You can stop and rest still sitting on your bike.

Novelty

here is also a certain novelty factor in riding a recumbent, which is diminishing with each year as more and more of them are seen on the road. Still, hardly a day goes by without some 10 year old blurting out "Cool Bike, dude!" as you ride by. Motorists point you out to car-mates. Some folks just stop and stare. Everyone smiles and waves.

Recumbent riders end up answering a lot of questions. Many people want to know if they are hard to ride, how much they cost, how do you steer that thing (especially the USS bikes), etc. While paused at a stop sign one day, a guy in a pickup pulled up in the next lane, rolled down his window and asked me "Did your wife put that thing together for you"?

Disabilities

Finally, there are other types of Recumbents that are designed for people who can't use their legs. These are Handcycles, and are either "pedaled" with hand cranks or by hand-on-wheel (like wheel chairs on steroids). These tend to be Trikes, and some are amazingly fast. There are several companies specializing in these bikes, such as Greenspeed , and Varna , and others. There are sites that sponsor rides and races.

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Originally Posted by cat0020 View Post
That statement is highly doubtful, personally, I can't even lay in bed for over 8 hours without discomfort, let alone sitting on a bike seat. Good for you if you don't feel saddle discomfort, everyone has different level of tolerance for discomfort, I simply don't believe that's true after few hours of riding or sitting, but I didn't go so far as saying you are incorrect.
Yes you did. You said that it was a fact that "anyone's butt will experience discomfort".

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Same could be said of your posting, other than telling me that I was incorrect, your posting has no mention of your experience in riding a recumbent. If you don't similar riding experiences between regular bikes and recumbent bikes, how can you make a just comaprison between the two?
WTF are you smoking? I NEVER said anything about recumbents. I did not make a comparison between the two. Whether or not you are comfortable on your recumbent does not affect whether I am comfortable on my bike. I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

You said "After sitting on the same saddle for 8 hours, anyone's butt will experience discomfort regardless how right the saddle is, or how proper the fit on the bike", to which I replied "Incorrect. I've done 8 hour rides where my legs were fried but my ass was fine. I get more discomfort sitting in a car for 2 hours than I do on a bike for 8."

Where do you see the comparison to a bent. You made a claim regarding riding a DF as though it were a fact, and I was simply providing a counter-example of my own experience.

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So both of you have ridden for period of 11 hours continueously, so try training for that ride distance that on an "appropriately fitted" recumbent bike and accomplish the same ride on an "appropriately fitted" recumbent bike, then if you still feel the same about recumbents, that would be a just comparison.
Again, I don't know where you got it in your head that I made a comparison. Why can't you believe that I could have no saddle discomfort after 11 hours of riding? Why do you think that my statement has any bearing on whether you would have any discomfort in a similar time frame? I also don't know where you got the idea I said anything about continuous. I made stops, although not many and not for long. Were you riding your bent continuously (i.e. nonstop) for 11 hours?

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More than likely neither one of you is willing to make the (time and money) investment(s) to make a just comparison, your minds are likely made up about recumbents.. so just keep making your (incorrect) claims and riding your bikes.
Show me one claim I have made about a bent in this thread, incorrect or otherwise. In other threads, I have only said things like "I'm sure there are fast riders out there but I haven't come across any". I have no problem with recumbents except for their continual need to prove themselves to "roadies". Mind made up? I have no desire to ride one, it just doesn't appeal to me. I have no intention of spending any time or money on one, but I could really care less if you ride one, as long as you enjoy it.

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To say that you have you feel no saddle discomfort after long rides is similar to saying that I don't tickle, you can't prove nor disprove the factuality.
You are right, I can't prove it. I won't go so far as to say I've never had any saddle discomfort... I mean bodies are interesting and they usually find a way to complain about pretty much everything at some point or another. My only claim was that I have ridden for over 8 hours without saddle discomfort, not that I've never had any saddle discomfort. I rode my bike 20K miles last year, and over 12K so far this year, so I am used to it. I am perfectly tuned to my bike and can ride all day without being uncomfortable. But you offered the opposite as fact, and you can't prove that either.

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I would chime in at this point and concur that I don't have any trouble believing some DF riders can ride for long periods without saddle discomfort. The only problem is they are probably the most at risk of damaging their perineum because they're not getting any warning signs.

What about your neck or your wrists?

Ultra-marathoners like those that compete in RAAM, frequently have to resort to weird contraptions like neck braces to delay/alleviate pain & fatigue.

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Originally Posted by neilcooper View Post
Ultra-marathoners like those that compete in RAAM, frequently have to resort to weird contraptions like neck braces to counter pain.
IIRC, that was to keep his head from falling over because he was so tired. Because in solo RAAM you are basically running with no or very little sleep. One would likely have similar sleep deprivation issues regardless of the type of bike.
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So, I'm stuck at work and it's a little slow. Forgive me.

Use of an HRM on a recumbent. Discuss.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
IIRC, that was to keep his head from falling over because he was so tired. Because in solo RAAM you are basically running with no or very little sleep. One would likely have similar sleep deprivation issues regardless of the type of bike.
Well firstly, the pic is of Shanna Armstrong who competed in one of the female divisions.

She and quite a few other competitors improvised neck braces during RAAM as their neck muscles succumbed to the stress of long hours holding the head in an unnatural position.

If you want more info you should google a condition frequently encountered by (DF riding) ultra-marathoners - 'Shermer's Neck'.

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Originally Posted by neilcooper View Post
If you want more info you should google a condition frequently encountered by (DF riding) ultra-marathoners - 'Shermer's Neck'.
Yeah....beacause...that applies to us....

Just because you guys have pain while riding a normal bike - which points to you never taking the time to get fitted properly - deosn't mean any of us have it. Typing that we do doesn't make it true.

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Originally Posted by El Pelon View Post
One of my riding friends is blind. The only way he can enjoy cycling is to stoke. My daughter loves riding a tandem with me. It slows me down (she is only 8 and the frame is heavy!), but who cares? It is great quality time with my baby.
Now I've went and pissed off the tandem riders too...is there anyone else we can offend in this thread? How about those dirty, dope-smoking MTBers?
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
Apparently he wasn't talking about riding, but just sitting on the saddle for 8 hours

Other than tell me that I was incorrect about sitting on my saddle for 8 hours, he hasn't come returned to back his ridiculous statement. He is clearly blowing hot air out of his ass.
Hey, after 8 hours sitting on a saddle, that hot air really needed to be released!
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Originally Posted by txvintage View Post
So, I'm stuck at work and it's a little slow. Forgive me.

Use of an HRM on a recumbent. Discuss.
They gotta have something to let them know whether they are still among the living or not.
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I just realized that most recumbulators went to recumbents over normal bikes because they just didn't find the love on normal bikes. I will now refer to recumbulators as...well...recumbulators or now..."quitters".

Just sayin...

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Yes you did. You said that it was a fact that "anyone's butt will experience discomfort".

WTF are you smoking? I NEVER said anything about recumbents. I did not make a comparison between the two. Whether or not you are comfortable on your recumbent does not affect whether I am comfortable on my bike. I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

You said "After sitting on the same saddle for 8 hours, anyone's butt will experience discomfort regardless how right the saddle is, or how proper the fit on the bike", to which I replied "Incorrect. I've done 8 hour rides where my legs were fried but my ass was fine. I get more discomfort sitting in a car for 2 hours than I do on a bike for 8."

Where do you see the comparison to a bent. You made a claim regarding riding a DF as though it were a fact, and I was simply providing a counter-example of my own experience.

Again, I don't know where you got it in your head that I made a comparison. Why can't you believe that I could have no saddle discomfort after 11 hours of riding? Why do you think that my statement has any bearing on whether you would have any discomfort in a similar time frame? I also don't know where you got the idea I said anything about continuous. I made stops, although not many and not for long. Were you riding your bent continuously (i.e. nonstop) for 11 hours?

Show me one claim I have made about a bent in this thread, incorrect or otherwise. In other threads, I have only said things like "I'm sure there are fast riders out there but I haven't come across any". I have no problem with recumbents except for their continual need to prove themselves to "roadies". Mind made up? I have no desire to ride one, it just doesn't appeal to me. I have no intention of spending any time or money on one, but I could really care less if you ride one, as long as you enjoy it.

You are right, I can't prove it. I won't go so far as to say I've never had any saddle discomfort... I mean bodies are interesting and they usually find a way to complain about pretty much everything at some point or another. My only claim was that I have ridden for over 8 hours without saddle discomfort, not that I've never had any saddle discomfort. I rode my bike 20K miles last year, and over 12K so far this year, so I am used to it. I am perfectly tuned to my bike and can ride all day without being uncomfortable. But you offered the opposite as fact, and you can't prove that either.
Yes, I claims the fact that "anyone's butt will experience discomfort", how is that statement untrue (or incorrect) since I did not narrow the source of the discomfort?

So, if you have not made any claims about recumbent in this thread, why are you posting in here? are you a troll? if you have something to contribute to the discussion of recumbents, so far in this thread you seem to be unable to comprehend my posting fully, using prophanity and ranting about how much you have ridden without suffering discomfort... which is good for you, but that does not apply to everyone.



Are those footware made to resemble cycling sandals?
Personally, I've never ridden with cycling sandals.. but I wonder why a RAAM participant would resourt to footware as such?

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Originally Posted by neilcooper View Post
From here;
Not a bad article. Now if the 'bent riders would actually read the whole thing and not just the part you bolded, we could put this thread to bed.

But let's not pretend that 'bent riders never have any issues with comfort either. A quick search of any recumbent forum for phrases like "recumbent butt", "recumbutt" and "numb feet" will return many hits.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
I just realized that most recumbulators went to recumbents over normal bikes because they just didn't find the love on normal bikes. I will now refer to recumbulators as...well...recumbulators or now..."quitters".
Neither an accurate label nor a good assumption. Most bent riders I know own upright bikes as well. Personalitywise, they like experimenting more than the general population and are willing to put in some money to try mechanical contraptions that others won't look at.

Most of my miles are on my touring and racing bikes. I ride bents because they're more fun or because they're optimized for certain conditions. For example a 15mph headwind is forecast for my 22 mile commute home. I can and do ride in that on any bike, but the highracer will be faster.

Lumping all bents together is even less useful than lumping all upright bikes together. Racing bikes, TT bikes, hybrids, cruisers, MTB's, BMX, and track bikes are very different. Bents are considerably more diverse than uprights which makes comparisons pointless.
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Has anyone explained to hammock drivers that showing people the bottom of your feet is considered rude or an insult in many cultures? One day you're just gonna be riding along, minding your own business and picking bugs out of your beard when some Thai immigrant is gonna appear out of nowhere, lop your head off and use the parts of your 'bent to generate electricity for his entire village. Just sayin.
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Me thinks the recumbent riders doth protest too much.

You guys look funny to us, and even though your bikes are theoretically fast we see most of you going slow.

Vast majority of us DF riders could care less what you choose to ride, and don't even give you a thought.

If you like riding your recumbant, go ride it, have fun, and don't worry what we think. (particularly since we aren't even thinking about you.)
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
I just realized that most recumbulators went to recumbents over normal bikes because they just didn't find the love on normal bikes. I will now refer to recumbulators as...well...recumbulators or now..."quitters".

Just sayin...

(I'll be at IMTS all week fellas so fire away all day while I am gone.)
Ive never ridden a "normal" bike" my HiRacer is the only bike ive ever ridden/owned. So I dont fall into your "quitter" category.

Just to join in the "saddle sore" argument/discussion/fight bit of the thread

This is posted by a bike messenger forum

You might be comfortable sitting in on a saddle for 8 hours but here's what could happen

http://www.movingtargetzine.com/forum/discussion/671/
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Originally Posted by neilcooper View Post
Well firstly, the pic is of Shanna Armstrong who competed in one of the female divisions.

She and quite a few other competitors improvised neck braces during RAAM as their neck muscles succumbed to the stress of long hours holding the head in an unnatural position.

If you want more info you should google a condition frequently encountered by (DF riding) ultra-marathoners - 'Shermer's Neck'.
Sorry, I knew about the guy that needed a neck brace to keep his head up while he was falling asleep, I assumed it was him. Although I did think "he" looked a little funny, it's really hard to see much detail when browsing on my iphone and I didn't zoom in on the picture. Maybe what I heard of is the same thing as "Shermer's Neck", but I agree with Psimet, that it doesn't apply to us over the distances and times we are talking about. My only stake in this thread is refuting the claim that our butts must be sore after 8 hours. But I will extend that and say I can do 8 hours and not have any part of my body be sore, including my legs.
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Haha! They even type with a funny accent...
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
Yeah....beacause...that applies to us....
Roll your eyes all you like.



.... whether it applies to you or not.

Why?

My post #308, which you've got your knickers in a knot about, was in response to a DF rider who was talking about spending periods of between 8-11 hours in the saddle.

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