I'm scared of recumbents
09-10-08, 11:08 AM
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[QUOTE=neilcooper;7438449]Agreed. Except for saddle sores and perineum damage. 
I recall hearing about a 24 hour racer suffering the first twinges of it before the half-way point. Whether his experience has made it to the realms of the www is another story. Probably a little obscure to hope that it would. When I have more time I'll try & find examples that have made it to the net. In any case the article says TYPICALLY between. Doesn't that mean you can't rule it out occurring earlier? I mean, as you said earlier these are exceptionally fit & well trained athletes. They also train with weighted helmets to lessen the chance of Shermer's neck developing. Are you willing to advise every person who is considering entering their first 12-hour that they have no chance of developing Shermer's neck, relying purely on your own anecdotal experience of cycling for 11 hours on the odd occasion?
Finally, if you can ride a DF with no discomfort whatsoever for 8 hours, and then when you ride 11 hours you have the same experience, what's to stop you one day trying 14 hours? What's to stop someone, emboldened by your anecdotal experience doing likewise. I mean, it's only a few more hours right?[/QUOTE]
I remember this arguement from my college philosophy class. It's the "arguement of the beard", how fitting coming from a recubulator.
I recall hearing about a 24 hour racer suffering the first twinges of it before the half-way point. Whether his experience has made it to the realms of the www is another story. Probably a little obscure to hope that it would. When I have more time I'll try & find examples that have made it to the net. In any case the article says TYPICALLY between. Doesn't that mean you can't rule it out occurring earlier? I mean, as you said earlier these are exceptionally fit & well trained athletes. They also train with weighted helmets to lessen the chance of Shermer's neck developing. Are you willing to advise every person who is considering entering their first 12-hour that they have no chance of developing Shermer's neck, relying purely on your own anecdotal experience of cycling for 11 hours on the odd occasion?
Finally, if you can ride a DF with no discomfort whatsoever for 8 hours, and then when you ride 11 hours you have the same experience, what's to stop you one day trying 14 hours? What's to stop someone, emboldened by your anecdotal experience doing likewise. I mean, it's only a few more hours right?[/QUOTE]
I remember this arguement from my college philosophy class. It's the "arguement of the beard", how fitting coming from a recubulator.
09-10-08, 11:20 AM
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Isn't that akin to a double negative? If one is inept at being a cretin; i.e. bad at lacking in manners, intelligence, etiquette, etc., wouldn't that in fact make them adroit?
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You'd have to grow a beard and wobble to understand.
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Hmmm it's all good.
What I find scary is the bent riders in traffic in LA rush hour riding very low to the ground without a flag or something...I don't understand how they stay alive.
What I find scary is the bent riders in traffic in LA rush hour riding very low to the ground without a flag or something...I don't understand how they stay alive.
09-10-08, 01:50 PM
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then again, cars "don't see" upright bikes as well, so maybe it comes out the same.
still, it'd be a weird feeling riding around and all you can see is bumpers & wheels.
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Speaking of that you can never get "flashed" by a woman in a car on a recumbent.
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Finally, if you can ride a DF with no discomfort whatsoever for 8 hours, and then when you ride 11 hours you have the same experience, what's to stop you one day trying 14 hours? What's to stop someone, emboldened by your anecdotal experience doing likewise. I mean, it's only a few more hours right?
for ultra-distance riding, it's not pain that normally brings one down. it's usually just lack of sleep.
and i'd imagine that laying down (on a bent) must put you to sleep pretty quick!! i wonder if that's why the rando's on bents always seem to be at the back of the pack on brevets?
at any rate, since ultra-distance riding is about 2% of the cycling population, what excuse do bent riders have for using that 'bike' for a 20-40 mile ride? do you get shermer's that easy? =]
don't get me wrong. i'm all for human-powered vehicles of all types; but please don't act like we're torturing ourselves on DF bikes!
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No, I am asking if they like girls...hence the question mark.
Are you implying that they don't?
Are you implying that they don't?
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Well, apparently they have least resigned themselves to never hooking up with any female that sees them riding the wierd things.
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I just blew snot all over my screen. 
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At some point one of them will get out of their hammock and enlighten us both.
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you're freakin killing me here!
Now that damned song is playing in my mind again:
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Agreed. Except for saddle sores and perineum damage.
I recall hearing about a 24 hour racer suffering the first twinges of it before the half-way point. Whether his experience has made it to the realms of the www is another story. Probably a little obscure to hope that it would. When I have more time I'll try & find examples that have made it to the net. In any case the article says TYPICALLY between. Doesn't that mean you can't rule it out occurring earlier? I mean, as you said earlier these are exceptionally fit & well trained athletes. They also train with weighted helmets to lessen the chance of Shermer's neck developing. Are you willing to advise every person who is considering entering their first 12-hour that they have no chance of developing Shermer's neck, relying purely on your own anecdotal experience of cycling for 11 hours on the odd occasion?
Finally, if you can ride a DF with no discomfort whatsoever for 8 hours, and then when you ride 11 hours you have the same experience, what's to stop you one day trying 14 hours? What's to stop someone, emboldened by your anecdotal experience doing likewise. I mean, it's only a few more hours right?
I recall hearing about a 24 hour racer suffering the first twinges of it before the half-way point. Whether his experience has made it to the realms of the www is another story. Probably a little obscure to hope that it would. When I have more time I'll try & find examples that have made it to the net. In any case the article says TYPICALLY between. Doesn't that mean you can't rule it out occurring earlier? I mean, as you said earlier these are exceptionally fit & well trained athletes. They also train with weighted helmets to lessen the chance of Shermer's neck developing. Are you willing to advise every person who is considering entering their first 12-hour that they have no chance of developing Shermer's neck, relying purely on your own anecdotal experience of cycling for 11 hours on the odd occasion?
Finally, if you can ride a DF with no discomfort whatsoever for 8 hours, and then when you ride 11 hours you have the same experience, what's to stop you one day trying 14 hours? What's to stop someone, emboldened by your anecdotal experience doing likewise. I mean, it's only a few more hours right?
As for your hypothetical rider who might be emboldened to attempt to ride 14 hours, I would in no way discourage him as long as he has the medical clearance he should get for any extreme endurance event, has trained properly, and has educated himself on the risks.
I realize it is an article of faith in the Church of Recumbency that all upright bike riders are in chronic pain and recumbents are the only answer but it just isn't so. Many recumbent riders have their own discomfort to deal with and most riders of upright road bikes manage to dial in their rides so they can accomplish their goals without any discomfort beyond the pain of pushing their muscles to their limits.
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A little research shows that Shermer's is a rare condition that is mostly confined to people with a previous history of neck trauma ("whiplash") and that it is both treatable and preventable with appropriate massage. In other words, it is a non-issue for the vast majority of road cyclists (and even ultra-distance cyclists) and for the minority who might have trouble with it, it is completely managable without resorting to recumbency.
As for your hypothetical rider who might be emboldened to attempt to ride 14 hours, I would in no way discourage him as long as he has the medical clearance he should get for any extreme endurance event, has trained properly, and has educated himself on the risks.
I realize it is an article of faith in the Church of Recumbency that all upright bike riders are in chronic pain and recumbents are the only answer but it just isn't so. Many recumbent riders have their own discomfort to deal with and most riders of upright road bikes manage to dial in their rides so they can accomplish their goals without any discomfort beyond the pain of pushing their muscles to their limits.
As for your hypothetical rider who might be emboldened to attempt to ride 14 hours, I would in no way discourage him as long as he has the medical clearance he should get for any extreme endurance event, has trained properly, and has educated himself on the risks.
I realize it is an article of faith in the Church of Recumbency that all upright bike riders are in chronic pain and recumbents are the only answer but it just isn't so. Many recumbent riders have their own discomfort to deal with and most riders of upright road bikes manage to dial in their rides so they can accomplish their goals without any discomfort beyond the pain of pushing their muscles to their limits.
09-10-08, 09:32 PM
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A fellow that I ride with had to drop out of Paris-Brest-Paris (1200 km) last year with that problem. He has also done the Mt. Washington Climb a few times. He did it again this year. I wonder what the percent of recumbents entered in those events were? (Sorry if this has been addressed already)
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*sigh*
...damn grey beards....I thought schools were back in session. Don't you profs have some papers to grade or something?? Possibly a lecture to give or have you just resorted to letting the TAs' do all the work so you can defend the honor of fellow recumbulators on "teh intrenetz" all day?
*sigh*
...damn grey beards....I thought schools were back in session. Don't you profs have some papers to grade or something?? Possibly a lecture to give or have you just resorted to letting the TAs' do all the work so you can defend the honor of fellow recumbulators on "teh intrenetz" all day?
*sigh*
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