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it took twelve riders

Old 08-22-08, 10:00 PM
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it took twelve riders

Got a flat today on way home from work. did the usual: step to the side of the road and patch/replace the tube. I knew that most riders would pass by and not even look, much less ask if they could help. I was even more surprised than I imagined I might be. 12 riders and half a dozen runners/walkers passed by before one guy zoomed past and yelled out "you alright?" After that I stopped counting. No one else said a word. One guy even rode by, looked right at me, said nothing, and moved on. I helped a guy the other day that had crashed and ask him how many people passed by without asking if he needed help. He said every single one just cruised right past him and said nothing.
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Help people with little things, one day you will be glad you did.

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Take it as a sign of respect. You must have looked like you were prepared and knew what you were doing.
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Originally Posted by Scottluebke2004 View Post
Got a flat today on way home from work. did the usual: step to the side of the road and patch/replace the tube. I knew that most riders would pass by and not even look, much less ask if they could help. I was even more surprised than I imagined I might be. 12 riders and half a dozen runners/walkers passed by before one guy zoomed past and yelled out "you alright?" After that I stopped counting. No one else said a word. One guy even rode by, looked right at me, said nothing, and moved on. I helped a guy the other day that had crashed and ask him how many people passed by without asking if he needed help. He said every single one just cruised right past him and said nothing.
Cry me a river.
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A few years ago I was stopped on the side of the road with a flat and the only person who asked if I needed anything was a tattooed-up cholo on one of those tricked-out low rider bikes with a banana seat.

I thought that was kinda cool.
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Old 08-22-08, 10:14 PM
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The thought did cross my mind that people thought I knew what I was doing, which was in fact the scenario. Although my patched tube went flat 10 minutes after I patched it! So maybe perception is not reality!!!
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I don't get not asking if someone needs help. I don't care how skilled someone looks, I always ask.
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In normal life you're expected to ask for help if you need it. But in Bicycle life it's the other way around, why is that?
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Agreed. It's not like I think I'm the Mother Teresa of cycling or anything, but I do ask every rider on the side of the road if he/she needs help. It's not hard to be a decent person....most of the time. =)
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Originally Posted by mmerner View Post
In normal life you're expected to ask for help if you need it. But in Bicycle life it's the other way around, why is that?
Maybe because the general population can't do squat to help fix our mechanicals and another cyclist can. Or how about because it's the nice thing to do.
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Originally Posted by Scottluebke2004 View Post
Agreed. It's not like I think I'm the Mother Teresa of cycling or anything, but I do ask every rider on the side of the road if he/she needs help. It's not hard to be a decent person....most of the time. =)

98% of the time I ask, they are fine. I sometimes do the stare... the "if you want help, ask" look, the look you were complaining about. If you need help just ask!
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I mean, if it looks serious, you shoudl stop. But I mean, a flat, comon... Maybe if it looked liek you didn't have the tools... cuz if I see someone with a flat amd I don't have any tools, I'm nto goign to stop to tell him, sorry I don't have any tools. A flat reparation is a one-man operation. Two guys repairing a flat seems kinda, weird... "Hey Johnny, need help peeling your banana?"


Besides, if you're going 45mph, you're nto going to slam on the brakes, end up 50 m past you, just to see if something minor is completly under full control.
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Old 08-22-08, 10:40 PM
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So wait, were you actually waiting for some one to help? Or were you working on your bike, then some one came to ask?

Cause if you were waiting... Maybe that just goes to show that all 12 riders that went by you had no more experience than you do. If you were working on your bike, maybe they just assumed you knew what you were doing and you didn't need help.

I mean after all, it doesn't take two people to change a tube. I'm not saying they were right or wrong to not offer help. I'm just sayin'.
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Old 08-22-08, 10:41 PM
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i always ask. i've never needed help from anyone else but if i ever did i'd like to get it. i'm usually wearing my team kit so it helps our local reputation and sometimes we can get some nice donations out of it.
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I got a flat today from Brooklyn to Piermont. About 3 miles from Piermont. A few spanish speaking guys stopped and helped me out (since I'm an idiot and didn't grab the bag out of the house!). Then on the way back, that tire flatted again (i think it was over-inflated), a guy in a white mini van stopped and drove me about 15 miles back to the George Washington bridge so I could walk into manhattan and catch the subway.

How about that? (yeah, I know, I'm lucky that I didn't end up in pieces at the bottom of the Hudson)
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I ask everyone. Doesn't matter how experienced they look. You know why? Because sometimes a flat repair is a big deal. You ever forget to bring your pump along or didn't replace your spare tube yet? Sure, it looks like I might know what I'm doing, but really I might not have a pump. However, in that case I'd probably ask the rider for a pump. So maybe it's a non-issue. But regardless, it'd just be nice to have riders just give a shout and ask if you're good to go. No one is obligated to help a broken down cyclist. But it sure is a nice gesture to lend a hand.
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Oh, and to answer your question Moto, I wasn't waiting for people to pass just so I could count. I went right ahead to get the repair done, but in the meantime I decided to see how many riders would/would not check if I needed help. But you could run a very interesting experiment by staging a flat tire. I wonder what the ratio would be in different cities and in different areas of the country of those who ask to those who don't ask. What you think?
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Yeah I see now.

Cause I just started riding. (In Boulder CO) There's hundreds upon hundreds of people in lines just riding the shoulders of highways.

I would be absolutely screwed if I got a flat right now. I really need to get some tubes/a pump. I was riding with nothing when I went 30 miles. I'm not too worried about getting a flat on my new Allez though. In the near future anyways.
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Moto, def get that tube. There was a time when I just crossed my fingers. Then one day I got a flat 15 miles from home when I was leaving school. I had no tube, no patches, no pump. Luckily a co-worker that does deliveries was in that area and he picked me up. I go on www.pricepoint.com and buy the 5 pack of road tubes for just under $10. It's a great deal. Then you don't really have to play around with patches if you don't want. And pumps are cheap too. Sure, it weights a little and doesn't look so bling-bling, but I'd much rather get home. I did use the compressed air for a bit, but it's like $4-5 for one-use. Given how much money I make, I'll carry a pump.
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Yeah I like to support my LBSs' though. I've been doing work for my parents at 7$ an hour around the house to get some money. So hopefully I can get a pump/tube this week end.
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I understand supporting the LBS. And I do when their prices are decent. But when their tubes are $4-6 each and I can get 5 for $10, it's hard for me to support them. LBS' tend to mark up their merch so much that it's difficult for me to support them beyond relatively inexpensive items.

Here's the link. https://www.pricepoint.com/detail/174...--Set-of-5.htm

Just choose size and valve type. Ships from So Cal. If you live in the region, they get it to you very, very fast. 1-2 days after order.
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Old 08-22-08, 11:14 PM
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Yeah I've never actually looked at prices for tubes here.

Considering Boulder has more bike shops than grocery stores.... I don't know how much they will be. I'll definitely keep that in mind though, thanks for the heads up.
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I always ask. The other day (last week?) there was this gal who was working on fixing a flat on side of the MUP. I slowed, asked if she was OK and she said she was fine but her pump had suddenly failed. I stopped, lent her my pump (and some muscle power) and we had the tire pumped up in a couple of minutes. I asked if she was able to finish, she said yes, and I was on my way before she even had the axle in the dropouts.

Had I not stopped she would have had to call for someone to pick her up or wait until someone else stopped by. And that could have been a bit of a wait since it was early and a weekday so not many people on the pathway. (which is why I ride it at that time.)

BTW, how many of you put the valve stem cap in your glove or sock while fixing a flat so you don't lose it? I do but I've yet to meet anyone else who does.
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I usually just give a holler "You OK?" and keep going. If someone has fallen off I will stop or at least slow down before saying anything. Do the same when I ski, except I am a snoob about binding on expert trails. You don't know how to get back into your skis and your on an expert trail, you deserve to try and figure it out yourself.
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Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
BTW, how many of you put the valve stem cap in your glove or sock while fixing a flat so you don't lose it? I do but I've yet to meet anyone else who does.
Jersey pocket when I am thinking of it. I have a lot of extras hanging around usually and have stopped running them recently. Probably because I lost them in my apartment, interestingly also why I have them handing around.
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