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What's wrong with a camelback

Old 08-26-08, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by big john
George, if you wanted more feet, you could have gone to Dawson Saddle. That would add at least 1500 ft, I think.
I going to look that up on the map. This ride was totally unplanned. I didn't leave my house in HB until almost 9am. Tell me what I would have to do to get to Dawson Saddle from the Crystal Lake turn off.


Brandy and I have a free weekend (no kids) we might take you up on the offer to climb with you guys if it still stands.
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George, I don't know if you have planned out your weekend yet but I still plan to do 3 days of 10K-13K feet, and you and Brandy are still welcome to stay in our (messy) house. I have something on Sunday morning I have to do but it involves climbing just not at a fast pace.
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Originally Posted by big john
Hwy 2 has been closed for at least 4 years, but it is supposed to open by the end of this year. I hope not, it's nice to go through there with no cars. Recently, they are working Saturdays and won't let us go by, I hope that changes, too. It's nice to go to Wrightwood that way, again with no cars.
Here is the gate near hwy 39.

Here is the one at Vincent Gap with me getting ready for the next climb.
What! No wonder I haven't bother to travel up that way in a while. Maybe I should, before the road is finally repaired.
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Originally Posted by umd
George, I don't know if you have planned out your weekend yet but I still plan to do 3 days of 10K-13K feet, and you and Brandy are still welcome to stay in our (messy) house. I have something on Sunday morning I have to do but it involves climbing just not at a fast pace.
We are trying to stay closer to home. We just decided this last night. Sorry I hadn't told you yet. We are trying to save the gas costs and time in car that could be time in the saddle. I appreciate the offer and we will still climb together.
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Originally Posted by jcbenten
More air flow on the bottles on the frame. In your pocket your body blocks the air from pulling the cold out of the bottle. BLT Baby!!! (BLT= Boundary Layer Theory)
Don't forget conduction.
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Originally Posted by bobjenkins79
I bought one of those groovy seat-post 2-bottle holders from Aero Design on ebay. Now I can haul 4 water bottles w/o having the CB on my back. I really think it's more comfy, plus there's just something nice about knowing you have 4 water bottles...


For my P3C on Furnace Creek I will be riding a Speedfil. 40 oz

Picked them up as a product sponsor last month. Because I can't stand the bottles behind the seat.
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Originally Posted by Vireo
I going to look that up on the map. This ride was totally unplanned. I didn't leave my house in HB until almost 9am. Tell me what I would have to do to get to Dawson Saddle from the Crystal Lake turn off.


Brandy and I have a free weekend (no kids) we might take you up on the offer to climb with you guys if it still stands.
From Crystal Lake, just keep going up 39 to Angeles Crest, turn right. Go around the gate and it's 6 or 7 miles to the top @7901 feet. You could turn back there or go down the other side and see if you can get through. Bob said they stopped him a couple weeks back, this after riding through there for years.

I don't know what we're doing this weekend, but I'll put some threads up here and on that other forum. We'd like to see you two sometime.
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Originally Posted by Vireo
What's the dealio with 3M tapes? You race at night too?
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles
What's the dealio with 3M tapes? You race at night too?
It's a 508 mile race... so yes. Think mini-RAAM.
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Originally Posted by jcbenten
More air flow on the bottles on the frame. In your pocket your body blocks the air from pulling the cold out of the bottle. BLT Baby!!! (BLT= Boundary Layer Theory)
Someone who knows about boundary layers should also know that you can't "pull the cold out" of anything - you can only transfer thermal energy to/from it.
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Originally Posted by CharlieWoo
Someone who knows about boundary layers should also know that you can't "pull the cold out" of anything - you can only transfer thermal energy to/from it.
someone needs a better saddle.
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I wear mine during P/1/2 crits under me jersey. (Albeit it is carrying camera equipment, not hydration)

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Originally Posted by mrbubbles
What's the dealio with 3M tapes? You race at night too?
Yes as umd says it is a 508 mile race. It is non-stop, non draft, 35,000 feet of climbing through the Mojave and Death Valley Deserts and points beyond.

The wheels in this picture are my training wheels with a Powertap SL. I commute on them. My morning commute begins pre-dawn (4am-8am) and my evening commute goes into the dark (415pm to 815pm). It is 130 miles round trip and about twice a week. Shorter commutes the other days of the week. Safety first

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Sorry, I hate camelback. It takes way too long to get liquid out of it. All it takes for a bottle is a quick squeeze to do what it takes me 10-15 seconds to do with the bladder on my back.
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I purchased one of those smaller, Camelback fannypaks. It holds about one third the volume of the full size, classic Camelbak. I tried it because I don't like reaching for a bottle when riding in tight double pace lines and I don't like a full Camelbak on a hot, North Carolina day. So far, it's working out OK. The obvious problem, it doesn't hold much liquid. The feed tube is a bit of a hassle because there is no strap over the shoulder like the larger Camelbaks. I've used a large clip to attach it to the helmet strap.
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Originally Posted by CharlieWoo
Some pros use them on TTs.
Curious as to what they use.

I remember some conversation on Garmin/Slipstream's radio to VDV in his final TDF TT "...drink now..." and then a comment about that 'bump' under his jersey.
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Originally Posted by texascyclist
Sorry, I hate camelback. It takes way too long to get liquid out of it. All it takes for a bottle is a quick squeeze to do what it takes me 10-15 seconds to do with the bladder on my back.
You're supposed to open the shut off valve before you drink Or maybe cut the tubing to a more manageable length. 15' of tubing is too much.
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Originally Posted by Hammertoe
I use a CamelBak on every ride...

It has almost everything you need to fix a mechanical...

I even stuff a Topeka Road Morph pump in it...

Oh, and on a long ride I put some water in it...


I don't care if I am a Fred...

Nobody has laughed at me to my face...

It is all about the engine...




I'm pretty sure you could strap a floor pump to that thing and lose the Topeka.
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Originally Posted by cyccommute
You're supposed to open the shut off valve before you drink Or maybe cut the tubing to a more manageable length. 15' of tubing is too much.
I didn't understand that post, either. If you have the standard bite valve, water will come out as soon as you have it in position. Much faster than reaching down for a bottle.
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Personally...

I don't like them because my back sweats a lot when I ride. I really need the airflow over my back.

I also don't care for having weight added that high up, but that's just me.

Some people like them. Whatever makes you comfortable / able to get out there and ride is fine by me.
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I just got a 100oz to replace my 50oz the other day. Of course I live in FL and sweat like a pig, I hate to stop, and I have 25-30 mile stretches where there's nothing around but road and trees... no gas stations or anything. That camelback is almost a necessity sometimes.
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Originally Posted by liverust55
I just got a 100oz to replace my 50oz the other day. Of course I live in FL and sweat like a pig, I hate to stop, and I have 25-30 mile stretches where there's nothing around but road and trees... no gas stations or anything. That camelback is almost a necessity sometimes.
It still amazes me that people think that this is really far and that those of us that are camelbak-less must be stopping every 15 miles or so. I can't drink more than about a bottle an hour, even when its hot; It will just slosh around inside me. Therefore 3 bottles (72oz) is enough to last me 3 hours, or much longer if it isn't hot. Even at a moderate pace of 17mph that's over 50 miles.
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Originally Posted by umd
It still amazes me that people think that this is really far and that those of us that are camelbak-less must be stopping every 15 miles or so. I can't drink more than about a bottle an hour, even when its hot; It will just slosh around inside me. Therefore 3 bottles (72oz) is enough to last me 3 hours, or much longer if it isn't hot. Even at a moderate pace of 17mph that's over 50 miles.
me too.

last weekend i did 80 miles, decent effort, and went through three bottles.

later.
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sounds like theres no real argument against camelbaks other than that some people find them uncomfortable to wear.

I love mine.
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