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Next Bicycle After Getting Hit By A Truck (longish)

Old 08-26-08, 06:45 PM
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Next Bicycle After Getting Hit By A Truck (longish)

Hey everyone. this is my first post on the boards though I've read your threads for a long time.

The story surrounding the thread title is as follows:
About two weeks ago I was on a solo training ride in PA and was hit in the lower back/ass/hammy area by the metal outrigger of a crane (construction) truck. I was mid way through a left hand corner and whatever was securing the outrigger under the truck on the right side failed and it slid out and got me. I went flying into a ditch but the guy stopped, called 911, I went to the hospital, etc. I was banged up and have an epic bruise and a broken left foot but I'm getting better. Could have been a Lot worse.

The bike however is toast. I was on my 06 Fuji Team Issue... full D-A, 07 Ksyrium SL3s, etc. Totally totaled along with my Polar computer, and most everything I was wearing.

I'm now looking for a new bicycle. I've raced collegiate and USCF events for four years (mtb before that) and the following are bikes on my short list:

Cervelo Soloist Carbon
Fuji Team Issue or SL1
BMC Pro Machine
Look 595
Look 585 Ultra
Scott Addict R2
Ridley Damocles

Quite a variety I know, and some very pricey, but I'm confident with some good searching for frame deals I can build up one of those bikes to good spec at ~$5000 as my collegiate team gets excellent component deals through one of our sponsors. The money will certainly not be all out of pocket (construction company's insurance) and I've already had the Fuji appraised. Are there any bikes of this ilk that you all would recommend that I seem to be overlooking? Thanks in advance!
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There is something wrong with your list; there are no Specialized frames on it...
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Originally Posted by CharlieWoo View Post
There is something wrong with your list; there are no Specialized frames on it...
No, that's what makes it right. Specialized is so vanilla. And Scott doesn't have replaceable derailleur hangers, so I'd cross that off.
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Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
No, that's what makes it right. Specialized is so vanilla.
Sir!
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Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
And Scott doesn't have replaceable derailleur hangers, so I'd cross that off.
Good point.
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would have a VERY hard time deciding between Pro Machine and Look Ultra
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What, no Trek?

>shakes head in disgust<

j/k

Cervelo and Fuji top my list. The rest are okay; I have no experience with them.

Good luck and heal fast.
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Don't overlook Pinarello.

Also (and God help me if this starts a flame war from all the Cervelo KoolAde drinkers), but if you do a lot of crit racing the Cervelo is not a good choice.

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Originally Posted by NotUrAvgM View Post
Hey everyone. this is my first post on the boards though I've read your threads for a long time.

The story surrounding the thread title is as follows:
About two weeks ago I was on a solo training ride in PA and was hit in the lower back/ass/hammy area by the metal outrigger of a crane (construction) truck. I was mid way through a left hand corner and whatever was securing the outrigger under the truck on the right side failed and it slid out and got me. I went flying into a ditch but the guy stopped, called 911, I went to the hospital, etc. I was banged up and have an epic bruise and a broken left foot but I'm getting better. Could have been a Lot worse.

The bike however is toast. I was on my 06 Fuji Team Issue... full D-A, 07 Ksyrium SL3s, etc. Totally totaled along with my Polar computer, and most everything I was wearing.

I'm now looking for a new bicycle. I've raced collegiate and USCF events for four years (mtb before that) and the following are bikes on my short list:

Cervelo Soloist Carbon
Fuji Team Issue or SL1
BMC Pro Machine
Look 595
Look 585 Ultra
Scott Addict R2
Ridley Damocles

Quite a variety I know, and some very pricey, but I'm confident with some good searching for frame deals I can build up one of those bikes to good spec at ~$5000 as my collegiate team gets excellent component deals through one of our sponsors. The money will certainly not be all out of pocket (construction company's insurance) and I've already had the Fuji appraised. Are there any bikes of this ilk that you all would recommend that I seem to be overlooking? Thanks in advance!
Felt F1.
http://www.feltracing.com/08/product...,1515&pid=8656
14 pounds!

Where in PA was this?
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Originally Posted by ShadowGray View Post
Felt F1.
http://www.feltracing.com/08/product...,1515&pid=8656
14 pounds!

Where in PA was this?
That is not a 14 pound bike. It would weigh about 14.7 pounds with pedals and cages.

I would consider Storck.
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Originally Posted by Bobby Lex View Post
Don't overlook Pinarello.

Also (and God help me if this starts a flame war from all the Cervelo KoolAde drinkers), but if you do a lot of crit racing the Cervelo is not a good choice.

Bob
Why is the Cervelo a poor choice for crits?


Shadow: this was about 15 miles from State College
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Originally Posted by Bobby Lex View Post
Don't overlook Pinarello.

Also (and God help me if this starts a flame war from all the Cervelo KoolAde drinkers), but if you do a lot of crit racing the Cervelo is not a good choice.

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Critérium International = not a crit, right?
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Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
No, that's what makes it right. Specialized is so vanilla. And Scott doesn't have replaceable derailleur hangers, so I'd cross that off.
Not sure I would consider Specialized to be a vanilla bike maker. I have one of their Tarmac SL2's and find it to be somwhere between jalapeno and habanero! I'm just sayin, you know...

From your list I'd have a hard time choosing between the Cervelo and Look. I would also look at the aforementioned SL2. Finally, what about a Cannondale Super Six. Anyway, good luck with your pick. Since you weren't badly hurt and you're getting to play with house money make sure that you get something that excites you.

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Originally Posted by NotUrAvgM View Post
Why is the Cervelo a poor choice for crits?


Shadow: this was about 15 miles from State College
Disclaimer: I'm not knocking Cervelo per se. They are hot looking bikes, and good RR and TT bikes. I personally own a P3C.

It's just that a very, very good racer on my team, and a former very, very good teammate, both of whose opinions I hold in high regard have told me the Cervelos do not corner nearly as well as the Pinarellos and Colnagos they are used to racing. (One is a former European National Champion. One is a former European Juniors Champion and currently a domestic Cat. 1).

The domestic Cat. 1 racer is now on a team that provides him with a free Soloist Carbon. He does pretty well on it. But yet, he says that without a doubt his Pinarello was much better in the corners. Last week he told me that even the new Trek Madone corners better than the Cervelo (he's a manager at a Trek store). When I told him that I had a hard on for the Soloist and could he get me a deal on it, he strongly recommended the Pinarello, which he doesn't even sell.

Again, I'm not trying to flame Cervelo. Just giving you my .02.

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Well today I got to ride my friends 07 SLC01. That's a hard ride compared to my old bike. I was taking it very easy but even still you could tell it was vertically stiff. Hard to say about lateral stiffness as I'm not getting out of the saddle for some time. It seemed a little twitchier than the Team Issue but that could be because of the shorter stem length or some other geometry... I'd have to look.

Does anyone know if companies publish actual frame stiffness data, or actual data on the carbon used in their frames? I'm a mechanical engineer and it would be a cool thing to know and compare. Look has some data on their bottom bracket stiffness but that's about it.
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Originally Posted by NotUrAvgM View Post
Well today I got to ride my friends 07 SLC01. That's a hard ride compared to my old bike. I was taking it very easy but even still you could tell it was vertically stiff. Hard to say about lateral stiffness as I'm not getting out of the saddle for some time. It seemed a little twitchier than the Team Issue but that could be because of the shorter stem length or some other geometry... I'd have to look.

Does anyone know if companies publish actual frame stiffness data, or actual data on the carbon used in their frames? I'm a mechanical engineer and it would be a cool thing to know and compare. Look has some data on their bottom bracket stiffness but that's about it.
Companies don't publish their testing, but independent people with the right equipment do:

Lots of numbers ahead, so close your eyes if you don't like them.

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The results [legend: make, model | price frameset | weight frame/fork/headset | standardized frameset weight | lateral stiffness | fork stiffness | BB stiffness | comfort frame | comfort fork | STW-value]
Bergamont Dolce MGN | 1299Eur | 966/407/74g |1459g | 78Nm/° | 30N/mm | 46N/mm | 246N/mm | 66N/mm | 81Nm/°/kg
Cannondale SuperSix | 2999Eur | 1093/389/77g |1538g | 81Nm/° | 45N/mm | 60N/mm | 232N/mm | 86N/mm | 74Nm/°/kg
Canyon F10 Ultimate CF | 1399Eur | 979/359/71g |1422g | 79Nm/° | 53N/mm | 56N/mm | 213N/mm | 103N/mm | 81Nm/°/kg
Cervelo R3SL (w/ THM Scapula) | 3650Eur | 826/388/58g |1289g | 94Nm/° | 59N/mm | 65N/mm | 202N/mm | 143N/mm | 114Nm/°/kg
Corratec Sannino Squadra Due Duro | 2398Eur | 1280/431/56g |1762g | 104Nm/° | 39N/mm | 56N/mm | 308N/mm | 81N/mm | 81Nm/°/kg
Cube Litening HPC Team Line | 1299Eur | 1056/423/86g |1574g | 104Nm/° | 41N/mm | 58N/mm | 306N/mm | 75N/mm | 98Nm/°/kg
Fat RP Carbon | 899Eur | 1097/420/67g |1609g | 95Nm/° | 40N/mm | 55N/mm | 287N/mm | 75N/mm | 87Nm/°/kg
Focus Izalco | 1799Eur | 1090/410/74g |1563g | 88Nm/° | 39N/mm | 54N/mm | 297N/mm | 76N/mm | 81Nm/°/kg
Giant TCR Advanced | 2599Eur | 1135/387/57g |1586g | 78Nm/° | 42N/mm | 54N/mm | 203N/mm | 72N/mm | 69Nm/°/kg
Hai End Road Plus (w/ THM Scapula SP) | 2639Eur | 975/285/66g |1333g | 92Nm/° | 37N/mm | 52N/mm | 382N/mm | 82N/mm | 94Nm/°/kg
Il Diavolo Victrix | 1299Eur | 1274/458/73g |1810g | 65Nm/° | 40N/mm | 42N/mm | 414N/mm | 85N/mm | 51Nm/°/kg
Isaac Impulse | 2399Eur | 1075/433/70g |1589g | 103Nm/° | 49N/mm | 62N/mm | 213N/mm | 94N/mm | 96Nm/°/kg
KTM Renegade | 1999Eur | 1008/413/71g |1459g | 78Nm/° | 30N/mm | 46N/mm | 246N/mm | 66N/mm | 81Nm/°/kg
Look 595 Ultra Black | 3300Eur | 1150/388/75g |1629g | 78Nm/° | 44N/mm | 53N/mm | 188N/mm | 96N/mm | 68Nm/°/kg
Merida Scultura Evo FLX | 1399Eur | 934/342/78g |1350g | 95Nm/° | 38N/mm | 49N/mm | 297N/mm | 73N/mm | 102Nm/°/kg
Müsing Onraod Only Pro Carbon | 1299Eur | 1118/521/96g |1739g | 93Nm/° | 37N/mm | 53N/mm | 305N/mm | 89N/mm | 83Nm/°/kg
Radon RCS | 799Eur | 1212/466/78g |1745g | 96Nm/° | 41N/mm | 58N/mm | 311N/mm | 78N/mm | 79Nm/°/kg
Red Bull Carbon X-Lite | 1450Eur | 1036/401/86g |1539g | 114Nm/° | 46N/mm | 64N/mm | 247N/mm | 98N/mm | 110Nm/°/kg
Schmolke Civitanova (w/ THM Scapula SP) | 1590Eur | 1032/273/50g |1343g | 102Nm/° | 41N/mm | 59N/mm | 284N/mm | 88N/mm | 99Nm/°/kg
Scott Addict SL | 2600Eur | 796/352/88g |1237g | 91Nm/° | 46N/mm | 51N/mm | 263N/mm | 97N/mm | 114Nm/°/kg
Simplon Pavo | 2299Eur | 928/339/78g |1369g | 96Nm/° | 46N/mm | 56N/mm | 281N/mm | 85N/mm | 103Nm/°/kg
Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL2 | 2499Eur | 997/402/62g |1460g | 94Nm/° | 49N/mm | 60N/mm | 190N/mm | 110N/mm | 94Nm/°/kg
Storck Fascenario 0.7 | 4398Eur | 886/264/43g |1203g | 101Nm/° | 43N/mm | 58N/mm | 241N/mm | 83N/mm | 114Nm/°/kg
Wilier Le Roi | 2270Eur | 1149/397/74g |1646g | 78Nm/° | 29N/mm | 48N/mm | 356N/mm | 70N/mm | 68Nm/°/kg
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^ Awesome, that's exactly what I was looking for. Happen to know any data for the bikes in the first post?
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Originally Posted by tekhna View Post
. And Scott doesn't have replaceable derailleur hangers, so I'd cross that off.
That was the CR1 SL, three years ago. See http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...tt_addict_r108

Also, good review of Addict in June Procycling magazine.
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Originally Posted by NotUrAvgM View Post
^ Awesome, that's exactly what I was looking for. Happen to know any data for the bikes in the first post?
Look and Scott are represented in that test, but I'll have to dig around for some data on Fuji, Ridley and BMC. As well as the Cervelo Soloist Carbon frames.
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How about your feelings on the Bianchi 928 Carbon SL?

I'm unfortunately at school in the middle of PA and the closest shop to test ride any of these bikes is basically in Philly.
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