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My new Arione hurts

Old 08-26-08, 09:02 PM
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My new Arione hurts

So I just got a new Fizik Arione, to replace my Bontrager Select. I did a short ride yesterday, and a longer one today, both climbing rides. I swear, it's like i'm riding with no chamois protection at all. The thin area between my legs (just behind the boys) feels like it's been rubbed raw. I changed nothing as far as saddle height or position.

I don't want to get rid of my new Arione, so do I just ride until that area gets used to it, or maybe a good pair of riding bibs with more protection ? (all the ones I have now are cheapie REI brand)

I've put thousands of miles on a number of saddles, and NEVER had this before.

Anyone else have this problem with new saddles, the Arione in particular?

Thanks for any advise.
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Old 08-26-08, 09:19 PM
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Picking a saddle that works is often a lot of trial and error. the Selle Italia saddle that came with my bike didn't work for me no matter what I did, and I got tired of dealing with saddle sores. I got the Toupe after reading a lot of good reviews but it ended up being worse than the Selle, my next one was the Arione and it's been great the past few hundred miles. The saddle shouldn't be causing any serious discomfort regardless of the chamoise, a better chamoise will increase the comfort level but your saddle shouldn't be rubbing you that badly.
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Old 08-26-08, 09:23 PM
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Aliante or Regal. Pick one.
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One size doesn't fit all. I think the arione is popular because of it's looks.
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Well i'm sure some people butts like the saddle. Not just the look.
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I got an Arione saddle about a month ago. It didn't feel great initially- didn't find a single one of those many 'sweet spots' that I'd heard about. Eventually, I adjusted my seatpost a bit lower and that made all the difference.
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^^^ Ya, most of the reviews were pretty good. That combined with the fact I have never really NOT liked a saddle, I figured I would be safe. That and it shaved 100 grams off of the bike weight, and good looks, and a good price, figured I would be safe.

I think I'll let the area heal for a few days, and give it another shot. If it keeps happening, I guess it's live and learn.
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Old 08-26-08, 09:44 PM
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recheck your actual saddle height now that you've change to the airone. Recently I went from an airone to a san marco and had to lower my height to put me back in position.
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My old saddle was good but wanted to try one so I switched to a Arione Wing Flex Saddle that's W=132mm.
After my first ride I made some adjustments raised it about 10mm because it was a little shorter in heigth than my old seat and forward on the rails about the same and it fits great now have done 50 miles and absolutely no discomfort. I do notice that the real comfort zone is way to the rear of the saddle, that's why I moved it forward on the rail slightly.
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Old 08-26-08, 10:45 PM
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I hated my arione for a couple of weeks until I got used to it. Now I'm shopping for another! The rounded profile was bothering me because I was used to the flat specialized toupe.
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Originally Posted by Youngin View Post
One size doesn't fit all. I think the arione is popular because of it's looks.
The Arione fits some people very well, myself included. However, it also fits some people really poorly. If the Arione doesn't feel good right away it likely never will. Some people think it breaks in but I think it fits or it doesn't. FWIW, people that don't like the Arione seem to like the Specialized Toupe, so you may want to look at that.
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Mine felt good from the first day. Have one on two bikes.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
If the Arione doesn't feel good right away it likely never will.
FWIW, not true for me. The first time I tried it, I told everyone it was the least comfortable saddle availalble. Then I gave it 100 miles and I haven't looked back.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
The Arione fits some people very well, myself included. However, it also fits some people really poorly. If the Arione doesn't feel good right away it likely never will. Some people think it breaks in but I think it fits or it doesn't. FWIW, people that don't like the Arione seem to like the Specialized Toupe, so you may want to look at that.
yeah i love the arione but the toupe feels like and ass hatchet.
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I just swapped out my arione for a toupe 143. I put about 1200 miles on the arione and when I was riding more than 30 miles on two consecutive days, I was painfully sore for 2-3 days after. I did the old specialized BG fit and 143 is my number. We'll see how well it works out in a few hundred miles. After just a couple of rides, I am pleased with the toupe.
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Originally Posted by Youngin View Post
One size doesn't fit all. I think the arione is popular because of it's looks.
yeah, that's scientific...
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
FWIW, people that don't like the Arione seem to like the Specialized Toupe, so you may want to look at that.

That would be me. I recently sold my Arione after switching to a Specialized. Much better, even though I hate myself a little for paying every penny of MSRP for it at the LBS .
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Originally Posted by cedricbosch View Post
FWIW, not true for me. The first time I tried it, I told everyone it was the least comfortable saddle availalble. Then I gave it 100 miles and I haven't looked back.
100 miles is pretty much right away.
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level it out. seriously. it needs to be completely level
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When you say level, do you mean the top of the saddle should be flat or the bottom of the saddle should be parallel with the TT. The arione has a slight incline as you move from front to back, so one of the other will not be level.

I recently replaced my selle italia flite (not good for me at all) with the arione and am still still looking for the proper adjustment.
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Originally Posted by shapeofthings View Post
When you say level, do you mean the top of the saddle should be flat or the bottom of the saddle should be parallel with the TT. The arione has a slight incline as you move from front to back, so one of the other will not be level.

I recently replaced my selle italia flite (not good for me at all) with the arione and am still still looking for the proper adjustment.
The front part should be level to the ground.
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I had an Arione on my bike when I first got it. The Arione doesn't work for me. I couldn't ride it for 10 minutes. I replaced it with a Selle Anatomica which works better for me but its heavy.

I am considering this new saddle that Topeak is selling called an Allay. The main attaction with the Allay is that there is an air chamber in the middle of the saddle that is controlled by a small pump that can be attached to the seat post or removed and left at home. I have yet to try one but it looks interesting.
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My vote is for trying a little nose up and down adjustment. My Arione K:1 was killing me until I adjusted the nose up.
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Originally Posted by cadencesdad View Post
So I just got a new Fizik Arione, to replace my Bontrager Select. I did a short ride yesterday, and a longer one today, both climbing rides. I swear, it's like i'm riding with no chamois protection at all. The thin area between my legs (just behind the boys) feels like it's been rubbed raw. I changed nothing as far as saddle height or position.

I don't want to get rid of my new Arione, so do I just ride until that area gets used to it, or maybe a good pair of riding bibs with more protection ? (all the ones I have now are cheapie REI brand)

I've put thousands of miles on a number of saddles, and NEVER had this before.

Anyone else have this problem with new saddles, the Arione in particular?

Thanks for any advise.
from my perspective...most comfortable seat I've ever ridden. All four of my road bikes have Ariones and I have two more in boxes, just in case fizik ever stops making them. I've heard of sit bone soreness getting acclimated, but not what you are describing.

The longer nose may be hitting you where the other seat was not. "rubbed raw", chamois cream? That might help.

1. Do you know the exact height your saddle needs to be from your pedals? Generally, that would be from the top of the saddle to the top of the pedal with the crank parallel to the seat tube.

2. Did you check to make sure this one is the same height as the one you took off?

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Originally Posted by Youngin View Post
One size doesn't fit all. I think the arione is popular because of it's looks.

Funny...I can't see my saddle when I am riding. Nor can anyone else for that matter.

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