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Your ideal Aluminum rim Wheelset

Old 08-27-08, 05:44 AM
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Your ideal Aluminum rim Wheelset

Currently I'm using Reynolds assault wheels. They look cool, but that's about the only thing I can give them over my previous Chris King wheelset I now regret selling...sort of.

I'm going to build up a new wheelset to replace the Carbon wheels I recently listed on ebay. What should I get? Pre-built's are ok. I'm eyeing the Scandium Dura-ace wheels among others.

I'm 165lb's and definitely ride through areas that have some nasty bumps on occasion.

King hubs are back under consideration, but I felt like they were overkill for road riding and I'd be better off with something cheaper and lighter like dt swiss 240, white industries, etc.

What I don't want - don't really see the need for aero rims after using the 46mm deep carbon wheels. I also used some AC 420 which I thought were terrible wheels.

for those curious why I don't like the carbon wheels here's why. One, when going downhill - I'm referring to 50mph+ twisty roads - in breezy (not super windy) conditions they feel downright scary. I've never felt scared going fast downhill on any wheelset. These are the first. When big cars or trucks pass it also feels unstable. Two, the carbon braking surface is not as reliable. Maybe I was spoiled by my dt swiss r1.1 rims, but they are light years ahead in modulation and overall stopping power. Three, they make me nervous since they cost so much.

I didn't like the ac wheels because the rim is VERY narrow and the tire feels like it squirms or rolls cornering at high speeds. the engagement sucks in the rear hub. they also flexed a lot.

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I've been thinking out picking up a set of assaults or some other carbon wheelset, but haven't pulled the trigger for the reasons you mentioned above. I'm getting ready to pick up a new set of wheels, and I've got a million different opinions from people. I want semi-light, semi-aero, and durable. Additionally, I want them to be reasonable priced (500 - 800 dollars). The guys on the Weight Weenies boards are always talking about Ligero wheels. I think they can be bought at CycleCo, but I'm not sure. You may want to take a look at those. I'm curious what everyone else thinks as well. I'm willing to bet I end up with Easton EA90 aeros. I've had great luck with my Easton wheels for what it is worth.
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Originally Posted by swalburn View Post
I've been thinking out picking up a set of assaults or some other carbon wheelset, but haven't pulled the trigger for the reasons you mentioned above. I'm getting ready to pick up a new set of wheels, and I've got a million different opinions from people. I want semi-light, semi-aero, and durable. Additionally, I want them to be reasonable priced (500 - 800 dollars). The guys on the Weight Weenies boards are always talking about Ligero wheels. I think they can be bought at CycleCo, but I'm not sure. You may want to take a look at those. I'm curious what everyone else thinks as well. I'm willing to bet I end up with Easton EA90 aeros. I've had great luck with my Easton wheels for what it is worth.
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Originally Posted by BananaTugger View Post
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Do the niobium 30s catch the wind like the deeper 46mm reynolds I currently have? Are they narrow like the ac 420 rim?
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Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou View Post
Do the niobium 30s catch the wind like the deeper 46mm reynolds I currently have? Are they narrow like the ac 420 rim?
The Niobium 27's I've used don't have a problem in crosswinds, and the 30's aren't any worse.

Niobium rims are 19mm in width.
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Originally Posted by swalburn View Post
I've been thinking out picking up a set of assaults or some other carbon wheelset, but haven't pulled the trigger for the reasons you mentioned above. I'm getting ready to pick up a new set of wheels, and I've got a million different opinions from people. I want semi-light, semi-aero, and durable. Additionally, I want them to be reasonable priced (500 - 800 dollars). The guys on the Weight Weenies boards are always talking about Ligero wheels. I think they can be bought at CycleCo, but I'm not sure. You may want to take a look at those. I'm curious what everyone else thinks as well. I'm willing to bet I end up with Easton EA90 aeros. I've had great luck with my Easton wheels for what it is worth.
I would not get the Assaults unless you will have another wheelset you plan on using most of the time. They seem to be strong enough for everyday use though. I just don't do flat, smooth rides, usually quite the opposite with 100+ mile rides unsupported climbing 10,000 ft. I've not ridden them in the rain, but I've a hunch they will have even worse braking performance. I would also be concerned about debris from the road grinding through the rim when riding in the rain and braking.

Another complaint about the Assaults is the free hub is REALLY loud. And that's coming from a chris king hub...

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You might try the HED Ardennes; they are 21mm width and are supposed to feel more like tubulars. They are fairly light over all for a clincher, but the rim weight is pretty heavy. They seem to shed weight with fiber composite spokes and lightweight hubs. I saw a couple of different rim depths, too.

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I have Campy Zonda's and a recently acquired Williams 19's. The Zonda's wouldn't be an easy option for you OP, but the Williams which I initially didn't love for the sight of them - old school spoke pattern and shallow rims- turn out to be some great wheels for their weight (1480 grams) and relative stiffness. (I am 175 lbs)

I use the Zonda's for flatter routes, where sprinting is key and the Williams for routes w/t alot of climbing - Given their lightness they are great for quick acceleration as well.
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Originally Posted by EGreen View Post
I have Campy Zonda's and a recently acquired Williams 19's. The Zonda's wouldn't be an easy option for you OP, but the Williams which I initially didn't love for the sight of them - old school spoke pattern and shallow rims- turn out to be some great wheels for their weight (1480 grams) and relative stiffness. (I am 175 lbs)

I use the Zonda's for flatter routes, where sprinting is key and the Williams for routes w/t alot of climbing.
I've seen the Williams and like their price. I will definitely consider them. Another similar is the Spider wheels by Nimble.
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dtswiss 1450
hed ardennes
campy zonda/eurus/shamals (whatever fits the budget)
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What brake pads are you using?

Why'd you sell a CK w/ DT1.1 wheelset?

DT240s/DA/Record + whatever rim
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Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou View Post
I've seen the Williams and like their price. I will definitely consider them. Another similar is the Spider wheels by Nimble.
A hugely erroneous omission in my post!
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Originally Posted by simplyred View Post
What brake pads are you using?

Why'd you sell a CK w/ DT1.1 wheelset?

DT240s/DA/Record + whatever rim
I sold them to finance what I thought would be an ideal wheelset - the current ones I do not like.

I used the pads that Reynolds supplied.
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I wanted to have a real nice wheelset built and wanted King hubs just because they look so cool, but ended up with DT swiss 190s because they supposedly roll so much better. The ceramic Dts actually cost more than the Kings.
I was told (and have read many reports that the King hubs need lots of maint. and have very tight seals)
I used DT 1.1 hoops
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I wanted to have a real nice wheelset built and wanted King hubs just because they look so cool, but ended up with DT swiss 190s because they supposedly roll so much better. The ceramic Dts actually cost more than the Kings.
I was told (and have read many reports that the King hubs need lots of maint. and have very tight seals)
I used DT 1.1 hoops
I would love to get the 190s but my buddy has them and feels they were not worth the $. I mean, they are excellent, but they cost SO much more than the 240 it's hard to justify the increase.

You are right about the King hubs, somewhat. They do require a few adjustments at the start but after that you really don't have to touch them. They don't spin as well when on a bike stand compared to all other wheels I've tried, but I'm not sure it actually makes a difference when riding - debatable and hard to test.
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TWE wheels, he uses a variety of rims to suit your needs (i`ve got easton tempest IIs and his own hubs), fantastic wheels.

great guarantee, handbuilt AND in your price range...

http://www.twowheelsenterprises.com.au/
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Originally Posted by kesa101 View Post
TWE wheels, he uses a variety of rims to suit your needs (i`ve got easton tempest IIs and his own hubs), fantastic wheels.

great guarantee, handbuilt AND in your price range...

http://www.twowheelsenterprises.com.au/
They are also pretty much in Australia... >.>
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Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou View Post
I sold them to finance what I thought would be an ideal wheelset - the current ones I do not like.

I used the pads that Reynolds supplied.
Aigh... there isn't one. There are ideal wheelsets to have.
Deep carbon tubies + alu box clinchers. If you TT - get a disc. If you like PT - you get a PT rear.

If you are comfortable with just one wheelset - go for it. But I think as you continue riding and get comfortable in your skills - you'll want dd carbons again... 50mph descents are scary on anything...

Try using Swiss Stop Yellows and see if there's a difference. On my Bonty carbons - the difference was night and day between supplied and after-market brake pads.
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Aigh... there isn't one. There are ideal wheelsets to have.
Deep carbon tubies + alu box clinchers. If you TT - get a disc. If you like PT - you get a PT rear.

If you are comfortable with just one wheelset - go for it. But I think as you continue riding and get comfortable in your skills - you'll want dd carbons again... 50mph descents are scary on anything...

Try using Swiss Stop Yellows and see if there's a difference. On my Bonty carbons - the difference was night and day between supplied and after-market brake pads.
I don't race, at least not the typical kind of racing. Ultra Distance is more my style which supposedly aero wheels should be ideal for. I guess for the race only and only if it's not really windy. I don't think a few minutes or miles will make much difference - it's far more dependent on the engine and body position.

Multiple wheelsets aren't really an option right now since I live in a dinky NYC apartment and the wife already complains about multiple bikes and parts all over the place
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"I would love to get the 190s but my buddy has them and feels they were not worth the $. I mean, they are excellent, but they cost SO much more than the 240 it's hard to justify the increase."

Spooky- I agree about the $$$, I could have bought a complete(nice) wheelset for the price of the hubs alone, but this build will be the nicest bike I own for the foreseeable future, so I splurged.
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The HED Ardennes look great...
http://cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=t...hed_ardennes08
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yeah, i think so too and they are definitely on the short list.
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Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou View Post
I don't race, at least not the typical kind of racing. Ultra Distance is more my style which supposedly aero wheels should be ideal for. I guess for the race only and only if it's not really windy. I don't think a few minutes or miles will make much difference - it's far more dependent on the engine and body position.

Multiple wheelsets aren't really an option right now since I live in a dinky NYC apartment and the wife already complains about multiple bikes and parts all over the place
I see...

Well - I think any of the suggestions in this thread are good ones... I'd go Ult/OP/db 2X and use the extra cash to get some Assos Milles to practice riding for hours and hours...

Good Luck!
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I like Excel's Swiss Threat wheelset.

http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=24
http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=24
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bananatugger, there`s a thing called the post. you put a thing in a box or an envelope and stick an address on it and it gets sent, like magic, to that place. you should look into it.
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