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I hate my 2006 Scott CR1

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Old 08-29-08, 09:12 PM
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I hate my 2006 Scott CR1

I have rode it maybe 5 times and It just don't feel good to me.

I can't explain why, I just don't like it.

What's wrong with me or is the bike a POS?
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Send it to me, I'll have it.

Have you been properly fitted?
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I've heard it's a real stiff ride. What were you riding before?
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Yup, it sucks. Send it to me post paid. I have a Scott CR1 recycling facility in my back yard.
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Originally Posted by bsyptak
Yup, it sucks. Send it to me post paid. I have a Scott CR1 recycling facility in my back yard.
Hey....I called it first!
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Originally Posted by bt
I have rode it maybe 5 times and It just don't feel good to me.

I can't explain why, I just don't like it.

What's wrong with me or is the bike a POS?
It is a stiff bike. Primarily I used it for climbing events and spirited club rides. Try a different set of wheels and nicer tires.

What wheels do you ride and what tires do you have mounted on them?
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ksyrium es wheels and continental grande prix 23mm tires.
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Maybe a fit issue. I don't find mine harsh or uncomfortable, but I have never done a ride longer than 130 km on it.

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is the bike a POS?
Not IMO!
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Originally Posted by bt
ksyrium es wheels and continental grande prix 23mm tires.
No wonder. Ksyrium wheels are the harshest thing you can ride. They are way too stiff for the average person. Same goes for Fulcrum, Campy Euros and any other copy of those wheels. It amazes me how many people ride those wheels. They are so stiff and so unforgiving it makes a great frame ride like crap. Low spoke count high spoke tension wheels are too harsh for the average weekend warrior. They suck in crosswinds and are not aero whatsoever with their ridiculous bladed spokes.


If you want performance at the expense of comfort keep riding the Mavics. But if you want comfort over performance get some 32 spoked 2 X wheels built on some nice hubs (whatever you ride Shimano or Campy or anything else) and nice Mavic Open pro rims or similar box section rim. Then put on some Vittoria Evo Cx Open tubular tires and you will notice a world of difference in your ride.

Why did you buy this bike? Are you climbing with it? Sprinting with it? Are you planning on those things?
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explain what doesn't feel good. too harsh, too twitchy, too stretched out? it's certainly not a POS. In fact it's something of a modern day carbon classic.
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I've been fitted twice on the bike so it fits me well. I just put on some 46cm wide bars.

I just feel unsafe on the bike like I'm gonna crash if I get to physical on it. I'm used to standing up

and mashing on my mtn. bike with 690mm wide bars and leveraging the crap out of them.

On the roadie it feels like I can't get the leverage I need and if I get to aggro I'll effin wipe out.

Very skittierish ride is one way to put it.

maybe I need a wider tire than the 23mm??
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Originally Posted by bt

I just feel unsafe on the bike like I'm gonna crash if I get to physical on it. I'm used to standing up

and mashing on my mtn. bike with 690mm wide bars and leveraging the crap out of them.

On the roadie it feels like I can't get the leverage I need and if I get to aggro I'll effin wipe out.
Is this your first road bike?
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Sounds like you need to reassess your riding style, not your bike. In general road bikes are like high performance sports cars: fast, light, and responsive. And like sports cars, a little bit of steering or throttle input is going to produce a fairly dramatic result. Your Scott is also one of the lightest and most responsive bikes out there, so really throwing it around is going to produce a pretty twitchy riding experience.

Putting slightly larger tires on the bike such as 25s will give you a slightly smoother ride at a little performance expense. Your frame might or might not accept wider tires such as 28s. You might also want to go to wider handlebars like a 46 to get a bit more leverage for sprints and a little steadier steering. Either way though, you're fundamentally going to be riding a bike that takes more finesse to get optimal performance. Try aiming for stillness everywhere but your legs and see what happens.
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Even putting Michelin Pro2s on Mavic makes them ride nicer.
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sounds like the rider is the problem, not the bike.
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Originally Posted by key
sounds like the rider is the problem, not the bike.
Isn't it always?
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A longer stem will slow the perceived "twitchiness" if you can accommodate being slightly more stretched across the top of the bike.
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Road bikes handle differently to MTBs. They can't be treated and ridden the same way. Thats the problem.
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Originally Posted by Feathers
A longer stem will slow the perceived "twitchiness" if you can accommodate being slightly more stretched across the top of the bike.
ditto


cheaper to try new components than a new bike. start with the more inexpensive components first. a longer stem with handle bars with a shorter reach might help. maybe narrower bars will help compensate for a longer stem as well. try 44 cms. i'm very broad-shouldered. i upgraded to 46 cm bars and i can just as easily go with 44's. i think in a book about lance, his trainer said, go with the narrowest bars that don't make you feel like your breathing is constricted.

personally, i like a more responsive-steering bike. my 2 roadies have 70 and 80 mm stems. my hybrid has a 135mm stem. the difference in steering is like driving a luxury car vs. a sports car.

fwiw, i really wanted a cr1 when i was buying my first roadie. i tried getting fitted on it at 2 different shops and couldn't get comfortable. i went with a compact frame. now that i'm in better road-riding shape, the cr1 fit/ride would probably be more comfy.

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Originally Posted by azwhelan
I've heard it's a real stiff ride. What were you riding before?
Pro racing frames are supposed to be stiff. That's the whole point.
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Originally Posted by bt
I've been fitted twice on the bike so it fits me well. I just put on some 46cm wide bars.

I just feel unsafe on the bike like I'm gonna crash if I get to physical on it. I'm used to standing up

and mashing on my mtn. bike with 690mm wide bars and leveraging the crap out of them.

On the roadie it feels like I can't get the leverage I need and if I get to aggro I'll effin wipe out.

Very skittierish ride is one way to put it.

maybe I need a wider tire than the 23mm??
Hi...

You are riding the equivalent of an Indy car. Extremely responsive and efficient. It was designed to be a pro racing frame. Stiff for power, and as you say "twitchy" to be responsive for racing purposes. The reason it's that way is due to the length of the wheelbase. It gets more complicated, than that, but that's a simple explanation.

Think of it another way...a sports car is a very stiff ride and is really responsive primarily due to the suspension and the short wheelbase. You feel every bump in the road, but it really handles. A Cadillac has a big wheelbase and a totally different suspension designed for a comfortable ride.

You can be comfortable on a race style bike if that's what you want. There are bikes, like performance Madone's that are racy, but a bit softer and have a more relaxed rider sitting position.

Somebody mentioned stem length...you are moving the hands forward, but not changing the frame geometry. The handling change is so minute that's not a solution to take away a twitchy feel. Different bike is the way to do that.

Either you get used to it or get a more relaxed bike. You went to the deep end of the pool going from MTB's to this. In MTB's the closest would be Giant's Anthem. For a MTB, that thing turns on a dime.

If MTB's are where you are most familiar, think cross country versus a race bike.

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Originally Posted by bt
I have rode it maybe 5 times and It just don't feel good to me.

I can't explain why, I just don't like it.

What's wrong with me or is the bike a POS?
Just curious - how many road bikes did you test ride before buying your Scott?
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Pro racing frames are supposed to be stiff. That's the whole point.
+1

what's next in this thread, panniers and fannypacks
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Originally Posted by Vireo
No wonder. Ksyrium wheels are the harshest thing you can ride. They are way too stiff for the average person. Same goes for Fulcrum, Campy Euros and any other copy of those wheels. It amazes me how many people ride those wheels. They are so stiff and so unforgiving it makes a great frame ride like crap. Low spoke count high spoke tension wheels are too harsh for the average weekend warrior. They suck in crosswinds and are not aero whatsoever with their ridiculous bladed spokes.


If you want performance at the expense of comfort keep riding the Mavics. But if you want comfort over performance get some 32 spoked 2 X wheels built on some nice hubs (whatever you ride Shimano or Campy or anything else) and nice Mavic Open pro rims or similar box section rim. Then put on some Vittoria Evo Cx Open tubular tires and you will notice a world of difference in your ride.

Why did you buy this bike? Are you climbing with it? Sprinting with it? Are you planning on those things?
incorrect.
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Originally Posted by phoshizzo
Is this your first road bike?
wondering same thing. sounds like technique may be an issue here.
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