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Rival over Ultegra

Old 08-31-08, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ThinLine View Post
Competitive Cyclist discontinued reg ultegra and campy centaur in their group builds. Fyi.
why does that matter? no one buys from CC anyway.
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Old 09-01-08, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by procrit View Post
The one thing I absolutely can't STAND about my rival/force mix, is the fact that I get ZERO adjustment on the front derailleur in the big ring. Once you're in the big ring, you can't half click down and use some of the bigger gears on the cassette, like 17-18-19-20, etc, without rubbing chain to the front der. Supposedly they added this for 2009, and if they did, I would have no complaints.

Sram Rival and Force are interally the exact same, with the exact same materials and parts, save for the blingy carbon levers and crank arms. Weight wise they are pretty close.

My advice: Stick with ultegra/dura-ace unless the Rival/Force stuff comes out with microadjustment on the big ring. If the new models have it, go with Sram.
you have it adjusted wrong.

I cross chain from the 53 to my 24 (12-27) without rubbing. Little ring has 1 click of trim too so there arnt any troubles when cross chaining the little ring.
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Old 09-01-08, 02:19 AM
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I dunno but I'm really happy with my 105 gruppo. Perfect shifting both in the front and the back. Heck, I even shift in sprints without any problmes.

I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Sram, Ultegra or Dura-Ace. I have Dura-Ace pedals though...........
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Old 09-01-08, 02:57 AM
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+1 for rival. I have the 08 stuff and am loving it.
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Old 09-01-08, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by j_amie_ View Post
Is the op talking about 08 or 09 rival there is a big difference
09, with the improved trim function and crank color. Still costs more than ultegra as a build group.
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Old 09-01-08, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 14max View Post
Super Record doesn't count since it's 11 speed which is just dumb. eDura Ace doesn't count because any group that requires a battery pack is just dumb.
That doesn't make sense. Super Record, Record, and Chorus are all 11 speed now.
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Old 09-01-08, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
That doesn't make sense. Super Record, Record, and Chorus are all 11 speed now.
Your up at 5:30 am? I personally never undestood the reason for an 11 speed over a 10 speed, beyond the obvious of 2 more gear selections. We all lived with 8, 9 and 10 speeds just fine.
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Old 09-01-08, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ThinLine View Post
Your up at 5:30 am? I personally never undestood the reason for an 11 speed over a 10 speed, beyond the obvious of 2 more gear selections. We all lived with 8, 9 and 10 speeds just fine.
I think you mean 1 more gear selection...

I'm up at 5:30 because I'm meeting some guys for a ride at 6:30 and I had a bunch of stuff to do on my bike... I don't use campy. I don't care about 11 vs. 10 speed. Just pointing out that it's not just super record.

As for Rival, I haven't priced it lately but thought it was cheaper than Ultegra. Anyway, I do think it looks nicer, and I prefer SRAM to Shimano regardless of level. I got a teammate to switch from Dura Ace to Rival and is happy for it. And '09 Rival has carbon levers like Force, and all the trim/throw improvements of Red.
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Old 09-01-08, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
That doesn't make sense. Super Record, Record, and Chorus are all 11 speed now.
Fixed and they're removed from the original list. Eleven speed is idiotic...
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Old 09-01-08, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ThinLine View Post
09, with the improved trim function and crank color. Still costs more than ultegra as a build group.
Only Excel lists Rival ($870) more than Centaur 10 ($849) and Ultegra 10 ($794)

Competitive Cyclist lists Ultegra SL for $1118 and Rival for $892.

GVH lists Ultegra for $726 and Rival is $659
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Old 09-01-08, 11:57 AM
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I have been on SRAM Red for some time now and am very happy with the performance of the SRAM product. I was previously on DA 10 7800 and was happy with that as well. I find that the SRAM is not "clunky" in its shifting, but rather feels much more positive and exact. It is louder but then so is campy. Also, a good friend of mine who is a UCI mechanic rides 08 Rival and has no complaints. To the poster who has chain rub up front I agree with the others that you need to have that adjusted as it shouldn't be a problem with SRAM.
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Old 09-02-08, 10:48 AM
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I'm going to slide the front der down and see if this helps. If this fixes the problem, then I will have to take back what I said previously.
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Old 09-02-08, 11:02 AM
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I'd go with Rival over Ultegra, especially the '09 stuff on prebuilt bikes. The price difference is pretty substantial, and the performance difference pretty negligible.
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Old 09-02-08, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Hendley View Post
- Really like the hidden cables on the Sram (makes the front look a lot cleaner), but miss the "fake aerobar" position of Shimano.
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Nothing keeping you from using the off-the-front position. You're not supposed to hold the cables, anyway.
I think (or at least hope) that the poster is referring to the "handful of shift knob, forearms on the bars" (not the flats, just back of hte hoods) position.
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Originally Posted by kudude View Post
I think (or at least hope) that the poster is referring to the "handful of shift knob, forearms on the bars" (not the flats, just back of hte hoods) position.
nope... Don't think so
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
nope... Don't think so
Indeed. We're talking about placing your forearms on the flats with your hands extended out between the shifters. Often referred to as ``invisible aerobars'' or the ``off the front position.''

If I'm not mistaken, it's what umd is doing in his avatar photo. Hard to be 100% sure with the small image, though.
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Originally Posted by rizz View Post
Indeed. We're talking about placing your forearms on the flats with your hands extended out between the shifters. Often referred to as ``invisible aerobars'' or the ``off the front position.''

If I'm not mistaken, it's what umd is doing in his avatar photo. Hard to be 100% sure with the small image, though.
Correct, although I'm on a trainer

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I spent about 20 minutes lowering/repositioning my front der and retensioning the shifter cable. All I can say is BIG DIFFERENCE. I can cross chain 39/11 with zero rubbing, and can run my 53/20? (three from the top) without any rubbing at all, and can go two from the top with just a minimal rub, and the 53/23 isn't all that bad, definitely rideable if you have to. Shifting accuracy and speed is also improved, to the point where it feels like an entirely different bike.
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I've got Rival on my Roubaix Expert and have had trouble dailing in the FD since day one. I've had the bike to the LBS many times and every time they work on it I get the same result the first time I shift while riding. I then re-adjust the FD at home while on the trainer using some resistance. When I can get all the gears with minimual rub, on the 23 and 21 cogs, the switch from the small to big ring is difficult and sometimes impossible without "soft pedaling" or reaching down and pulling the cable. I have also had the chain slip out of the top pulley on the RD when shifting more than two gears. the only fix for that is to get off the bike and put it back on using my fingers. A team mate also has the same bike and has the same issues. It really bugs me that I have to think about shifting during a race. My other bike with 105's is 11 years old and I never needed to think twice while shifting. It could be the way Specialized sets up the bike. The comment about chain length may be the issue and I'll check that out. I've already dropped the FD to just clear the ring.
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PBK has ultegra groupset in a box for $621
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=D6050
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Originally Posted by rizz View Post
Indeed. We're talking about placing your forearms on the flats with your hands extended out between the shifters. Often referred to as ``invisible aerobars'' or the ``off the front position.''

If I'm not mistaken, it's what umd is doing in his avatar photo. Hard to be 100% sure with the small image, though.
Ugh. You don't need shift cables to do that (as UMD is demonstrating, albeit on a trainer).

The position I would miss is the one I described.

ps -- ZeroG's, am I seeing that right? really?
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Originally Posted by procrit View Post
I spent about 20 minutes lowering/repositioning my front der and retensioning the shifter cable. All I can say is BIG DIFFERENCE. I can cross chain 39/11 with zero rubbing, and can run my 53/20? (three from the top) without any rubbing at all, and can go two from the top with just a minimal rub, and the 53/23 isn't all that bad, definitely rideable if you have to. Shifting accuracy and speed is also improved, to the point where it feels like an entirely different bike.
Hmmmmm.... now I'm thinking of picking up the Rival shifters that have been sitting in a display case at my LBS for the past year.
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Now I want to throw new campy "09" centaur into the mix. It has better performance, carbon tid bits and a bit lighter.
Definite competitor to Rival and Ultegra.

At least my $2300 +/- is earning some interest before I decide on the bike w/ grouppo.

I friend of mine who rides an Orbea w/ Rival has mixed opinions over Ultegra, which he also has.

The research is part of the pre excitment of a new bike purchase anyway.
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So if both Ultegra sl and Rival 09 were the same price which one will you chose? My LBS will not touch campy and sram unless it is Record or Red, follwoing his advice go ultegra sl/09 dura ace.
I am still maintaining the idea of 09 Rival on paper looks better... but the cheapest I can find is GVH ()693 + shipping) any other places I need to look at?
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I've had '08 Rival on my race/training bike since May now. I really liked it at first, but now it's just okay. I don't mind it, but I probably wouldn't buy it again. Maybe give Red a try, but that is another story.

It's really about personal preference. Rival and Ultegra are very similar.

Campy FTW!
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