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Road Cycling It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle. -- Ernest Hemingway

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I just chuckled imagining the sound of his bike hitting the pavement as he falls over in slo-mo....
He'd be hollering "NO CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE DOUGH FOR YOU!" ... plunk
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D.A. Vaporware and the stress it causes me isn't anything a little Ben & Jerry's won't cure. Tell 'em Chipcom.
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I think what may ultimately spell the end for Di2 is the fact that they're selling an electronic assist to a crowd that prides themselves on human powered transportation/propulsion/etc.

Most serious cyclists have embraced technology in the form of materials and mechanics, but have shunned technology that involves electronically powered moving parts.

I think that's why the same crowd that drools over carbon fiber, and owns cycling computers, and a whole host of "space age" componentry responds so negatively to electronically powered shifting.
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Cycling no longer green...

This electric shifting makes cycling no longer a completely human powered machine. Sad.

Not to mention this is just some silly gimmick that complicates shifting. Shimano has simply created some new "bling" to keep it us throwing away money.
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As a consumer, I find your acceptance of Vaporware preposterous. If companies put their alleged product on every website and magazine on the planet for six months to entice us, but we can't buy the crap, it is total, utter, 100%, untouchable, insufferable, unobtainable, aggravating, annoying, maddening

V A P O R W A R E

The fact that this characterization annoys somebody in the software business (the worst purveyor of this idiocy) is small consolation, but it's something.
I'm not disagreeing with any of those adjectives. I'm saying you're using the
W R O N G. . .W O R D

And it's just some new components. I'm pretty sure your current stuff will last until it arrives. Sheesh.

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I'm not disagreeing with any of those adjectives. I'm saying you're using the
W R O N G. . .W O R D

And it's just some new components. I'm pretty sure your current stuff will last until it arrives. Sheesh.
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ooh. you, you....





















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Take it easy dude, I'm voting for Obama. You know, the one whose VP doesn't have a knocked up 17 year old daughter and has actually been to more foreign countries than I have.
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i'd put money on electronic shifting getting positioned in shimano's Nexus/ALFINE group during a four year development window.
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With cameras, consumers got something that was an improvement - improved access to the image, both on the back of the camera (you know when you got the shot and when you didn't) and in the ability to download without going to a developer.

Electronic shifting doesn't eliminate a hassle or problem EXCEPT perhaps in TT rigs where you can put multiple shift buttons all over the place and probably achieve a more aero bar configuration at the same time.

I think the big mistake was making it a poor/non fit with 7800. The only rationale I could figure out was that 7900 will go 11spd soon and they wanted to have the chain system / RD out there first (then all you would have to do is get a new cassette and upgrade the right brifter).
Actually the original digital cameras took photographs with lower image quality than that of traditional 35 mm analog cameras. Initially the digital cameras weren't better, they just offered new technology with potential. There were many negatives. Once in the marketplace the technology was refined and developed over a period of years.

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out. It will also depend on what professional cycling organizations will allow. IMO it is likely that with time electronic gruppos will win out. This is a bit of a shame because cycling is fundamentally a manual endeavor and the current high end mechanical gruppos work incredibly well in a world dominated by electronics.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
I'll bet they said the same thing when they came out with electric starters for cars....
I don't think that they did. As far as I know, mechanical brifters can't break your arm.

This is more akin to drive-by-wire systems which have been implemented pretty well, but are still derided by purists. I wouldn't complain about a car with either kind of system being given to me. For us common folk, it won't make a difference. The bottom line is that it is too expensive to play with unless playing with expensive things is something your financial situation allows.

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Originally Posted by lukasz View Post
I don't think that they did.
I'm pretty sure there were a group of people in a letter writing circle that were writing things like..."What do you do when the battery dies! Give me a good old mechanical hand crank any day!"
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Originally Posted by Bekologist View Post
i'd put money on electronic shifting getting positioned in shimano's Nexus/ALFINE group during a four year development window.
I could see that.

I can definitely see electronic shifting being received very positively by the non-"serious" cycling crowd. Otherwise, I still think selling electronic/powered moving parts to a "human powered" crowd may be difficult.

Though I'm part of the vast masses who haven't actually taken a ride on the system, so I'm speaking purely from speculation.
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Otherwise, I still think selling electronic/powered moving parts to a "human powered" crowd may be difficult.
I'm not sure I agree. How is telling a derailleur to move to the next position via electronic means less "human powered" than doing so mechanically, as we do now? In both cases the human is just issuing the command via pressing a button or lever, the action is then carried out by the derailleur. The only real difference is how the command is transferred to the derailleur and how the derailleur carries out the command (mechanical versus electronic).
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
I'll bet they said the same thing when they came out with electric starters for cars....
Although nothing really slows the evolution of progress...an analogy of sort can be drawn between sailboats and powerboats. The former doesn't take any potential energy...just like a bicycle. I don't care if the watch battery that powers my modest computer on my bike dies because I can still ride it. Having a dead battery on my shift mechanism turns my bike into a single speed...better always leave the bike in say 39/14 or so.
I like the technology and only wish I would have been one of the guys working on it. I believe it will all be about price point and the price will come down over time as mentioned as the technology gets copied and more mainstream. I see a day 10 years into the future where I plug in both the battery for my bicycle and my car into the wall for the next day's travels. I have to keep my Ipod and computer charged anyway. ...Ipod is charging right now in fact.

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I'm not sure I agree. How is telling a derailleur to move to the next position via electronic means less "human powered" than doing so mechanically, as we do now? In both cases the human is just issuing the command via pressing a button or lever, the action is then carried out by the derailleur. The only real difference is how the command is transferred to the derailleur and how the derailleur carries out the command (mechanical versus electronic).
Technically the difference is mechanical power supplied by the rider. There is effort involved in shifting a mechanism and that effort will be reduced significantly. I think the overriding issue will be price. I was involved in development of the early days of electric steering design for automobiles. Early electrical steer cars were pretty dismal in performance if not downright dangerous but that technology has now made its way onto a major percentage of passenger cars and likely more to follow.
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a bike with not only electronic shifters, but bluetooth wireless, a GPS integrated cyclocomputer with a frameset lojack (installed into any seatube perhaps?) and a cellular or clearwire wifi connection.

The micronization of any computer assisted CPU could be integrated into a seatpost slug of 27.2mm.....

the potential trickle down to the consumer market in 5-10 years could be solid if the 'bikes as transportation' category really gets moving in america.

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Another glowing review of Shimano Dura Ace Electronic Gruppo:
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?PAGE=WHATS_NEW
This looks real to me.
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Another glowing review of Shimano Dura Ace Electronic Gruppo:
http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?PAGE=WHATS_NEW
This looks real to me.
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I'm pretty sure there were a group of people in a letter writing circle that were writing things like..."What do you do when the battery dies! Give me a good old mechanical hand crank any day!"
Now that's funny
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Wanks.
Surely you're not implying that they have a vested interest in shilling new products to their clients?

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I'm in no hurry to upgrade to electronic shifting yet. If ever.................
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Surely you're not implying that they have a vested interest in shilling expensive products to their clients?
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