tekhna

Fast is right.

kniprm

not the same gruppo. This is about the electronic group. You posted about the new 7900 Dura Ace.

BananaTugger

Lighter is faster.

tekhna

Law of diminishing returns kicks in pretty fast.
Buying Di2 for weight savings seems a little crazy.

BananaTugger

Di2 needs to lose a few hundred grams still.

Weight Weenies also modify their own stuff in the pursuit of less. There isn't much I could get rid of on Di2 unless I want to open the stuff up and start screwing with the PCB's in the devices.

Yes, they are devices, not derailleurs.

bikeride

I can't wait to get one. $4k is a small price to pay for the exclusivity during Saturday morning club rides.

SpongeDad

With cameras, consumers got something that was an improvement - improved access to the image, both on the back of the camera (you know when you got the shot and when you didn't) and in the ability to download without going to a developer.

Electronic shifting doesn't eliminate a hassle or problem EXCEPT perhaps in TT rigs where you can put multiple shift buttons all over the place and probably achieve a more aero bar configuration at the same time.

I think the big mistake was making it a poor/non fit with 7800. The only rationale I could figure out was that 7900 will go 11spd soon and they wanted to have the chain system / RD out there first (then all you would have to do is get a new cassette and upgrade the right brifter).

SpongeDad

"Button placement, however, leaves something to be desired. Although one button per lever wears a distinct texture on its surface, they're still hard to differentiate in the saddle even with bare fingers (let alone with full-finger gloves) and they're almost wholly lacking in tactile feedback of any sort when pushed." [from the article]

Well, then, it's krap.

ericcox

I'm not terribly worried about it -- I can't afford it anyway. I would like to try it, however. The battery issue wouldn't worry me terribly if the claimed battery life is anything close to accurate. Seems getting caught out with a dead battery should be about as rare as discovering you have a flat with no spare tube on hand, snapping a cable, or breaking a chain.

To WR -- I'm surprised you find 10spd to be worse than 9 -- my 10 spd Ultegra is far easier to keep in adjustment and shifts much better than my old 9spd setup (which I no longer own). Maybe that was only the case with Ultegra though.

BananaTugger

I told you so.

Shimano's new gear is going to suck hard.

patentcad

If you guys like this D.A. electronic gruppo, you might be interested in the Star Trek Warp Drive unit I have for sale. PM me for details.

foresthill

Here is the commonly accepted definition of vaporware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

It doesn't fit this situation. Every item that's been announced but isn't yet available for retail sale is not necessarily vaporware.

The single fact alone that pros have been using effectively fully functional versions of Di2 is more than enough to disqualify it as vaproware.

BananaTugger

Duke Nukem Forever = Vaporware.

The initial release date has passed.

waterrockets 

Yeah, I'm comparing new cables/housings on both the 9spd and 10spd system, both Dura-Ace. It's not a night and day difference or anything. Just subtle "wtf was that extra 'clack' back there?" The 9-spd just feels more positive. I'm zeroing in on 10-spd adjustment perfection though, and it's getting better every week or so.

ericcox

Thought about this a bit more after I posted -- at the time of my transition, my 9 spd stuff was not in very good shape. It really wasn't a fair comparison. That said, I can definitely say 10spd Ultegra works much, much better than Shimon 600.

ggg300

Ur gunna have to pump your tiers more often than u will need to charge the battery...run time is long

patentcad

Uh huh. Let me know how this helps you on your next climb. That's if you actually ride your friggin bicycle. And until this crap is on a bicycle that Uncle Pcad can ride, it is friggin

V A P O R W A R E

foresthill

Something does not have to be available for sale right now in order to be disqualified from the term. The word has a real meaning, and you're using it wrong. Since you're apparently unwilling to click the link, here's a quote:

Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar software/hardware product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.

As a software developer, I find your incorrect use of the term disturbing.

patentcad

As a consumer, I find your acceptance of Vaporware preposterous. If companies put their alleged product on every website and magazine on the planet for six months to entice us, but we can't buy the crap, it is total, utter, 100%, untouchable, insufferable, unobtainable, aggravating, annoying, maddening

V A P O R W A R E

The fact that this characterization annoys somebody in the software business (the worst purveyor of this idiocy) is small consolation, but it's something.

patentcad

Just to reiterate,

Little Darwin

As a person who wrote his first computer program in 1974, and has made a living by working with computer hardware and software since 1978, I would like to object to anyone placing too stringent a definition on the term vaporware.

patentcad

I would like to object to everything on BF.

patentcad

Hey, how's this for Vaporware: some national publication accidentally emailed Steve Job's obituary to a number of news outlets. The only problem is that Stevie's not dead yet. That doesn't mean some people don't wish Jobs were dead, but as of this juncture, he still lives and breathes. I can tell because my Apple stock is still worth over $100 per share.

chipcom 

As a developer now masquerading as a CIO, I find your propensity to tag some stringent definition to the term even more disturbing. But luckily that is countered by the continued glee I get contemplating sitting on the side of the road and remotely shifting Pcad to the 53/11 just about the time the grade hits about 12%.

Psimet2001 

I just chuckled imagining the sound of his bike hitting the pavement as he falls over in slo-mo....