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Old 09-02-08, 04:19 PM
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Need quick info from an owner of a Six13

Is your rear wheel slightly closer to one chainstay than the other? I was hit by a car last week and went down. I can't tell if my frame got tweaked or if the bike came this way. Is it possible that this frame is slightly asymmetrical? The wheel spins true and there does not appear to be any alignment issue.

If you own a Six13 ('07 or '08, ten-speed cassette, maybe they are all the same), could you take a quick look and let me know what you see?

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Chainstays are symmetrical.

Something got bent.
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Thanks for checking. But can an aluminum frame really bend??? I was going pretty slowly by the time I went down. It would seem like a pretty poor design if a slow speed tumble would ruin the frame.

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Old 09-02-08, 05:38 PM
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Thanks for checking. Can an aluminum frame really bend??? I was going pretty slowly by the time I went down. It would seem like a pretty poor design if a slow speed tumble would ruin the frame.
Aluminum can be bent. I would take the bike to a shop and have them put the wheels in a truing stand and see of they got knocked around any.

Same with the frame. Shops have tools that can check frame alignment. They'll be able to tell you what's what.
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Thanks. I will get it checked out. I would think that if the frame had gotten knocked out of alignment, then the wheel would not spin straight (and it does). But I would also be very surprised to see an asymmetrical frame.
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Thanks. I will get it checked out. I would think that if the frame had gotten knocked out of alignment, then the wheel would not spin straight (and it does). But I would also be very surprised to see an asymmetrical frame.
There are a number of asymmetrical frames available on the market.

The Cannondale Six13 just isn't one of them.
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By "something got bent", that "something" could be the axle, too. It'll be one of the things that your shop will look for.
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Either your wheel got bent, or your frame did.

I own that bike...it is indeed symmetric.

Put the wheel in another frame and see if the issue is still there. Maybe your wheel was poorly dished from the beginning?

Al, done right, can bend. Grab the seat stays at the narrow portion of the hourglass and squeeze. Watch them flex. That's part of the wizardry of C'Dale Al frames.
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Thanks for the info. The wheel is a Mavic Ksyrium ES.
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luckily cannondale has a crash replacement program if the frame cant be bent back or is found too dangerous to ride.

It just sucks there is no more six 13 for 2009 though, and they just happen to be out of all the "normal" size six 13's

one of the new bikes for 09 just happens to be a nice full carbon bike called the "six carbon" try and get that!!!
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Originally Posted by sonic six13 View Post
luckily cannondale has a crash replacement program if the frame cant be bent back or is found too dangerous to ride.

It just sucks there is no more six 13 for 2009 though, and they just happen to be out of all the "normal" size six 13's

one of the new bikes for 09 just happens to be a nice full carbon bike called the "six carbon" try and get that!!!
It's called "progress."
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
It's called "progress."
Sounds like part of the Republican Presidential Campaign Platform RW.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Sounds like part of the Republican Presidential Campaign Platform RW.
Better watch it. Sarah Palin would kick your @$$ on a bike, and anything else you might want to try. In all 57 states.

Merci' beaucoup.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
It's called "progress."
I think it's called: the "Six" is cheaper to produce than the Six13...since the Six13 was a US made Al frame with CF sections that were made in Bedford, all joined together in Bedford. The Six is all Taiwan made, and costs more than the Six13...and you'd have trouble convincing me that it is a better bike, since none of the Taiwan made CF frames I tested could beat out the Six13 in my bike purchase adventure.

The only progress here has been profit margins.
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Tie a string to the rear der. hanger. Then run it up around your headtube and back to the other rear dropout. By measuring the distance from the string to the seat tube on each side you'll see if it is bent at all. I had the same problem with a Yeti mtn. frame years ago- hit by a car, slightly tweaked frame.
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I think it's called: the "Six" is cheaper to produce than the Six13...since the Six13 was a US made Al frame with CF sections that were made in Bedford, all joined together in Bedford. The Six is all Taiwan made, and costs more than the Six13...and you'd have trouble convincing me that it is a better bike, since none of the Taiwan made CF frames I tested could beat out the Six13 in my bike purchase adventure.

The only progress here has been profit margins.


where do you get its being made in taiwan from?

Last i checked all of the road frames are still being made in the us. If the 09 Cadd 9 frame is still made here im sure the SIX or the SIX carbon is.

And BTW the SIX carbon starts at like 1700. The SIX starts at 1300. Right where the six13 started
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Super Six: Made in USA.

Six: NOT made in USA.
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Super Six: Made in USA.

Six: NOT made in USA.


interesting, but where are you getting this info from? just curious?
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I'm trying to find where I read it. I'm having trouble with that, so if I can't cite it then obviously it's simply hearsay until proven otherwise.

There are apparently going to be two versions of the "Six". One is full CF. The other is an aluminum front end with a CF back end.

Which is completely bass-ackwards of what made the Six13 so great. The Al rear triangle and seatstays were the best part of the CAAD frame, while the CF top and down tubes damped noise from my hands.

I don't think that bike is progress at all over the Six13...nor do I think it offers a logical simplification of the product line, now that I know there are two models. The Al/CF hybrid Six is a Six13 gone backwards and wrong.
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Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
I'm trying to find where I read it. I'm having trouble with that, so if I can't cite it then obviously it's simply hearsay until proven otherwise.

There are apparently going to be two versions of the "Six". One is full CF. The other is an aluminum front end with a CF back end.

Which is completely bass-ackwards of what made the Six13 so great. The Al rear triangle and seatstays were the best part of the CAAD frame, while the CF top and down tubes damped noise from my hands.

I don't think that bike is progress at all over the Six13...nor do I think it offers a logical simplification of the product line, now that I know there are two models. The Al/CF hybrid Six is a Six13 gone backwards and wrong.
ya i know. Well we should be getting some in soon at my work, so ill deff let you know how both the six's look.

All other frame manufacturars have a bike with some carbon in the read triangle. Cannondale never did. they always did it the other way.

o well, maybe it was be an awesome bike. no ones knows untill they ride one.

i dont care though, i have my six 13 and it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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I'm hearing a lot of ridiculous advice on here. If the wheel is not out of true and is rolling straight, it being off-centered can most likely be due to the dish of the wheel. This is not something to worry about at all. If you are worried you can bring it into the shop just to make sure but it is probably just dished strong to one side.
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