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HOW DID YOU DO IT?! Explain your SUCCESSES

Old 09-03-08, 09:05 PM
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HOW DID YOU DO IT?! Explain your SUCCESSES

I'm trying to motivate my friend to take biking seriously... He was really into it at the start, but has since kinda realized the "difficulties" of biking.

It's hard for me to tell him simply HTFU because he kinda rebels against it. And of course I'm not going to want to leave him stranded and just bike ahead (that's not what FRIENDS DO!)

Please let me know of your success stories! How you guys motivated another person to become more motivated and finally taking biking seriously

I know there are some people who just aren't going to ever get into it, but I want to hear your success stories nevertheless!

Thanks in advance!!
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Good question. I am still working on three friends of my own. I'm beginning to think either it's there, or it isn't. When I first got started, I was passed about 1000 vertical feet into a climb, I was leaning over my handlebars about ready to vomit. I was passed by a fat guy who was actually whistling. At the time, I thought I was in pretty good shape.

I decided right then and there, I was gonna be the one whistling on the climbs. I don't whistle, but I rarely get passed on the steeps anymore.
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You can't force some one to get into biking.

It's just that simple.

Your only hope would be to implant it into their brain via hypnosis and hope for the best.

srsly though, you can't force it. It's not something that can be pressured into some one. Just not possible, and it's immoral.

What if your friend was trying to get you into running or lifting weights. Just because you do it, doesn't mean you want to do it competitively or anything.
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You can't. You can't make someone do something they don't want to do. If he doesn't want to ride, then don't try to get him to.
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Lead by example. If you get fit (not BF anorexic), they will follow.
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Personally, I enjoy the challenge and adventure of the type of cycling I do. It motivates me.


But not everyone is motivated by the same thing.
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Try this: just be like, alright, don't ride. Then he'll see the shape you're in, weight you've lost, etc. And he'll be jealous of the chicas.
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Originally Posted by frankum View Post
Try this: just be like, alright, don't ride. Then he'll see the shape you're in, weight you've lost, etc. And he'll be jealous of the chicas.

Snarky (this is PC central, "chicas" will probably be removed by mods), but there's a hint of truth.
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Well when I described it to him, he loved it... I mean this is also the kind of guy that wouldn't just go out and purchase something on impulse... so I know he knew personally he wanted to get into it
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Originally Posted by Booger View Post
If you get fit (not BF anorexic), they will follow.

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There's a big flaw in that plan

You get fit, they try to follow you. Then they will only get discouraged that they aren't as good as you. If they don't have the determination in the first place, they won't gain any more once they get dropped.




I NEVER though I would get into road biking. Evar.

The only reason I did was because I moved to Boulder Colorado with my parents for Senor year and there's more bike stores here than grocerie stores. If I was still in Lincoln Nebraska, I still wouldn't be biking.
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A couple of years ago when my longest ride was 30 miles, I would do it with 2 friends and they'd like it. We did those 30 miles at least once a week sometimes more. This lasted for one summer, the following summer they were less eager to ride and we got out only a couple of times. The summer after that (this summer) I got one of those friends to join me and he blew up, was maybe doing 4mph for the last couple of miles. In the end I got no workout so I was pissed since that was my goal and we had just finished fixing up his bike so I thought he'd get back into it. Next time I call him for it he says maybe another time. I stayed with him, told him to get behind me and just draft, i pushed him but no he was just too out of shape (looking at him you'd think he was in shape, but his lungs and heart are apparently fail). So now both those friends don't want to cycle, and probably never will since I now ride with a local group and I doubt they'll be able to keep up, even spending the entire time in the draft.

I knew from 12 years old I would love this sport, and I still do, but damn I need more money for it....and I also wish I had some friends of my age who enjoyed the sport just as much.
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Originally Posted by Motman320 View Post
-1

There's a big flaw in that plan

You get fit, they try to follow you. Then they will only get discouraged that they aren't as good as you. If they don't have the determination in the first place, they won't gain any more once they get dropped.


Not literally doof . Only hardcore D-bags drop their newbie friends.


Originally Posted by Motman320 View Post
I NEVER though I would get into road biking. Evar.

The only reason I did was because I moved to Boulder Colorado with my parents for Senor year and there's more bike stores here than grocerie stores. If I was still in Lincoln Nebraska, I still wouldn't be biking.
Senor?

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jokingly race with them on a ride, if they have a competitve mindset they will want to be able to beat you.(at least I would) and then want to ride to increase their ability.

thats pretty much what motivates me, to stay up with the people I want to be as fast as...
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Yeah that's what I'm fearing, I mean, I'm willing to slow down DRASTICALLY to make sure my friend enjoys it all. But in the end I just get frustrated that I'm getting no workout
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Originally Posted by dennis_said View Post
Yeah that's what I'm fearing, I mean, I'm willing to slow down DRASTICALLY to make sure my friend enjoys it all. But in the end I just get frustrated that I'm getting no workout
Get your workout some other time. I can ride for hours with people and my heart rate won't even break 100. That's quality time with them. I can kill myself riding solo or on the trainer later.
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But again, I would never drop him...he's my friend after all. I'd stick w/ him the entire ride.. There's a route here I do... 20 miles, rolling hills , mostly battling winds half the time... that I get down usually in about an hour 15 to an hour 30 mins w/ a break at the midway point... when I rode it w/ my friend it took 3:30!! 3.5 hours. I wish he'd wear his shorts properly... Half the time he was in pain because he wore underwear/pearl izumi slices, and basketball shorts on top...have told him numerous times to just go SHORTS!!!
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Originally Posted by dennis_said View Post
But again, I would never drop him...he's my friend after all. I'd stick w/ him the entire ride.. There's a route here I do... 20 miles, rolling hills , mostly battling winds half the time... that I get down usually in about an hour 15 to an hour 30 mins w/ a break at the midway point... when I rode it w/ my friend it took 3:30!! 3.5 hours. I wish he'd wear his shorts properly... Half the time he was in pain because he wore underwear/pearl izumi slices, and basketball shorts on top...have told him numerous times to just go SHORTS!!!


I'd admire your ability to stay upright at an average 5.7mph.
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Sucked we woke up at 5:00AM to bike, I had work at 9:00AM, I figured 4 hours is enough time! Throughout the ride I was hoping he would be motivated by the fact that I "might" be late to work!!! But he didn't care, took his time... if his crotch hurt he'd just stop and just relax... I mean he didn't push himself when he knew I was potentially going to be late... either that or his crotch was REALLY killing him... and he was really giving it all he got...
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Originally Posted by dennis_said View Post
I'm trying to motivate my friend to take biking seriously... He was really into it at the start, but has since kinda realized the "difficulties" of biking.

It's hard for me to tell him simply HTFU because he kinda rebels against it. And of course I'm not going to want to leave him stranded and just bike ahead (that's not what FRIENDS DO!)

Please let me know of your success stories! How you guys motivated another person to become more motivated and finally taking biking seriously

I know there are some people who just aren't going to ever get into it, but I want to hear your success stories nevertheless!

Thanks in advance!!
My friends always would wait for me at the top of the hill and at other logical points on the trail. Because I liked riding, and because I'm competitive, I wanted to keep up with them, so I worked hard to make sure I could.

So, yes, just riding away from him on the hills is exactly what you do. Just wait for him at the top
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I've been through a similar situation. I think the biggest challenge is the natural difference between not just peoples interest, but your starting point and your body's ability to respond to training. When i started riding I had LOTS of endurance to built. I'd never done anything that worked my heart at all, so it took riding quite a bit for a few months before I was able to really improve that.

Shortly after starting myself, I started riding with a few friends, trying to get them motivated and interested. I got them interested and it seemed to stick, but there was always the apparent difference in fitness between us. I'd started with less excess weight, and perhaps that difference alone meant that it was harder for them to really appreciate the massive (larger than my own) leaps forward in fitness that they were experiencing. It was like "hey I'm faster now, but I guess I'm still slow." Other things played into it, like I was fast enough to join groups, and ride the resulting fitness improvement wave, while they were left behind trying to motivate themselves toward an ever distant goal.

This wouldn't be a problem for someone who enjoys cycling for cycling's sake, but for some it's the social aspect of riding that keeps them in it. I still do slow rides for newer riders, and always invite as many people (including these same friends) and although they come out occasionally, we all know that occasional rides aren't going to get you back into shape. There has to be some level of consistency, which for a year or so has been their challenge.

It's really sad to see people go through the cycle (whoops, pun) of excitement followed by huge fitness improvements and see much of that disappear over the next years, but it's a reality.

I ride for many reasons. I don't want to be overweight, ever. I think cycling is one of the very few forms of exercise that doesn't have to feel like exercise. I enjoy the competitive aspect of local group rides where others can help push me to my max simply with their presence. I can save $$ on gas by riding my bike to work every day....and the list could go on. All these things make it easy for me to stick with the sport. If I didn't have these personal reasons...it would only be a matter of time before I lost interest.

By all this I'm basically agreeing with the "You either have it or don't" response from above. Either you find things that you love about cycling that outweigh the expenses, time costs and such, or you eventually quit. The best you can do is to give your friends the opportunity to find these things for themselves, and hope they're able to. If they don't find them, don't worry about it. Nagging on them to come and try to keep up with too fast a ride will only remind them what they've known from the start...that you're faster than they are. If you want to get them back out on the bike, you'll have to sacrifice your own riding wishes and go their pace/distance, and be ready to do it regularly with them until they're back in shape. Never try to mix a training ride with a "get your friend/gf/wife into cycling" ride. EVER.

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Originally Posted by dennis_said View Post
I'm trying to motivate my friend to take biking seriously... He was really into it at the start, but has since kinda realized the "difficulties" of biking.

It's hard for me to tell him simply HTFU because he kinda rebels against it. And of course I'm not going to want to leave him stranded and just bike ahead (that's not what FRIENDS DO!)

Please let me know of your success stories! How you guys motivated another person to become more motivated and finally taking biking seriously

I know there are some people who just aren't going to ever get into it, but I want to hear your success stories nevertheless!

Thanks in advance!!

Not being sarcastic when I ask, `Why do you want your friend to take cycling seriously?` Maybe cycling won`t ever become a `lifestyle` for him. Does that bother you?
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Why not just go for a nice ride with your friend instead of trying to kill him with your hilly, windy, 20 mile ride?


I've ridden with much faster riders too, and we've done things like the following to give us all a workout:

1. Time Trial Tag ... this is done on a 2 or 3 km loop. One cyclist starts at one side of the loop, the other starts at the other side of the loop. The two riders ride round and round until one catches the other.

2. Both riders start together. The faster rider rides further out than the slower rider as fast as he/she can, then turns around and meets up with the slower rider still riding the outbound leg of the journy. Then the two cyclists ride back to the start together.

3. The faster rider starts earlier and rides a 20 mile route as fast as possible. The slower rider gets onto the route about 45 minutes later, and the faster rider catches up with the slower rider on the faster rider's second loop, then rides with the slower rider.

4. The faster rider rides his/her recovery rides with the slower rider.
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Press into their minds that they'll never be as good as you, they're filth, they're adopted, etc.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
Why not just go for a nice ride with your friend instead of trying to kill him with your hilly, windy, 20 mile ride?

On an epic ride like that, you don't take prisoners. HAMMER TIME!
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Originally Posted by Booger View Post
On an epic ride like that, you don't take prisoners. HAMMER TIME!
Well, 20 miles isn't exactly epic .............. but still, for a new rider ...........
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