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Old 09-10-08, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KirkeIsWaiting View Post
I remember that word Gibaffo from the crazy EYEtalians I rode with years ago.
They had other words too like 'sauzeeg' for the weekend riders that couldn't quite fit in their bike clothes and the 'bakala' for the dried up old guys who thought they could still race.


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Old 09-10-08, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rmfnla View Post
I've been riding for a long time and I never heard the term "Gibaffo."

I guess nobody wanted to hurt my feelings.
We had to whisper when you were around
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Old 09-10-08, 05:06 PM
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Some of us feel that being a "Fred" is a step up the cycling food chain. That's why I'm a FRED trainee.
I'm hoping to graduate this weekend at the MS 150 to a full FRED.
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Old 09-10-08, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lotek View Post
in all seriousness though is the 'Fred' in the article Fred deLong?

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Sorry, no.
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Old 09-10-08, 06:53 PM
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I've always considered a distinct difference in the definitions of "Fred" and "Poser".

A Poser just has the full kit, killer bike, and can't ride.

A Fred doesn't care what he wears, has a functional bike that HE maintains, function before form in all choices, and can ride you into the ground over the long haul.

YMMV
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Gibaffo is two too many sylables for most of us to handle.
Hence the creation of the modern day Fred.
When I'm on the bike path with my wife it's far easier for me to point out the freds than it is to say "Honey, look, it's another gibaffo!"
My 2 cents
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Old 09-10-08, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rmfnla View Post
I've been riding for a long time and I never heard the term "Gibaffo."

I guess nobody wanted to hurt my feelings.
Same here . . . I've been riding a long time and never heard of it either.

I tell ya, it has a distinctive Brooklyn sound and feel to it.


Originally Posted by txvintage View Post
I've always considered a distinct difference in the definitions of "Fred" and "Poser".
Correct.

A Poser just has the full kit, killer bike, and can't ride.
Partially Correct - BF's OCP poseurs can ride.

A Fred doesn't care what he wears, has a functional bike that HE maintains, function before form in all choices, and can ride you into the ground over the long haul.
Correct.

YMMV
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Originally Posted by KirkeIsWaiting View Post
and the 'bakala' for the dried up old guys who thought they could still race.
Just so you know, when we ride together, the fact that you're a broad will afford you no quarter sweetie. You can rank out Pcad on BF, but the Tax Man Cometh. It all must be paid for eventually. Oh yes.
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Originally Posted by EventServices View Post
Turns out that Fred is a real person.
Hi,

So "Fred' is actually Fred M.?

We used the term 'squirrel' on the east coast during the 1970s. I first heard the terms 'fred' and 'freida' during the early 1980s after I moved to California. The last time I saw Eddy VanGuyse I was refereeing a soccer game in which his daughter was playing.
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There is sure a lot of Fred's around here that I pass so easily. I them somewhat amusing: they have very nice bikes, wear team outfits, but some are overweight, slow and amazingly poor bike handling skillls. Maybe after a few years of hard biking they will cease to be Fred's.
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Hmm, might have been, but that isn't the real person I heard associated with the term fred, but a guy named Fred Birchmore who was the first person to ride his bike around the world:

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...25000025.shtml

I've heard an urban legend that at some point in his travels through the Alps this guy riding his touring bike happened upon either the Giro or the TDF, passed the racers and rode into town, very confused as to why people were cheering.

He would definitely fit the "using ugly/functional, inelegant/non-racing gear, being ignorant of group riding and etiquette, and probably able to drop any of us in his prime" fred profile.
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