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Old 09-10-08, 06:46 AM
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The history of Fred

Turns out that Fred is a real person.
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I think "Gibaffo" is far cooler and needs to be revived. My teammate Fred would be happy about this too.
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Gibaffo was a much cooler term.
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I'm still not sure about the exact usage of the term... I don't think anybody is.

Is it a person that dresses and looks the part, but is really an inept rider? (I'd consider this a poseur)

Or is it the opposite, a person that rides less than pristine equipment, and doesn't really look the part... e.g., no helmet, t-shirt and jean shorts, tennis shoes... (See any of the posts referring to the knave, as chronicled by HipCycler). In this interpretation, I don't believe that skill level plays a part.
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It seems that Fred/Jabaffo/Doris/et al carries a different meaning for different people.

I personally think it can be used in a derogatory fashion towards people who dress like the pro racers, act like they can pwn everyone, and fail to deliver (a la poseur).

On the other hand, I think it can also be used descriptively for people who aren't quite racers; they just ride their bike. This is where I fit (with the exception that I've raced a couple of times).

For more information, refer to the hundreds of Fred threads here on the Forums.
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...a rider with great intent but poor follow-through.
Um yeah.
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I see Fred every day I ride. Then again, I'm someone else's Fred. At the very top of the Fred food chain there's only one non-Fred and we all either adore or hate him.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_(bicycling)
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They mean different things, try this mental exercise: picture a recumbent rider, now put him on a real bike, that's a fred.

The term Gibaffo is synonymous with the less poetic "poser"
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I remember that word Gibaffo from the crazy EYEtalians I rode with years ago.
They had other words too like 'sauzeeg' for the weekend riders that couldn't quite fit in their bike clothes and the 'bakala' for the dried up old guys who thought they could still race.
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If you are not in the pro peloton... then YOU ARE A FRED.

that is the more all encompassing broader definition...

....that pro's use.



sorry.. but sadly it seems to be true.
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And now we know. Mystery solved, yet the controvercy and debate continues...
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I don't know about all that crap, but most of you are Freds, and that's something.
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a history of Fred thread and a new Lance controversy and subsequent 10 to 15 obligatory threads.
what more could any bakala want?
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I have a small bag under the seat of my CF bike. I am Fred. When I race I take the bag off and wear my team kit, I don't win, so I'm still Fred.
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I don't know about all that crap, but most of you are Freds, and that's something.

I'm no Fred. I just went for my first long distance 20 mile ride on my Allez and it was awesome. I think I averaged like 34mph, but I don't have a bike computer yet. I think I want to upgrade to a Trek Madone. LBS says it's a good bike, but what do you think?
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I don't think a fred is a poser. I think a fred is the overweight guy with a gigantic grin swerving precariously about the MUP on his bike. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Originally Posted by shabbasuraj View Post
If you are not in the pro peloton... then YOU ARE A FRED.

that is the more all encompassing broader definition..
So mistaken, please don't use broad brushes here, don't u see we live in a hi-def world?
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I'm no Fred. I just went for my first long distance 20 mile ride on my Allez and it was awesome. I think I averaged like 34mph, but I don't have a bike computer yet. I think I want to upgrade to a Trek Madone. LBS says it's a good bike, but what do you think?
Too soon to tell. Depends on what wheels you upgrade to. Keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by KirkeIsWaiting View Post
I remember that word Gibaffo from the crazy EYEtalians I rode with years ago.
They had other words too like 'sauzeeg' for the weekend riders that couldn't quite fit in their bike clothes and the
'bakala' for the dried up old guys who thought they could still race.
patent "bakala" cad

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bobby bacala.
don't think he ever rode a bike though.
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When I started riding in Seattle, back in the 80's "Fred" was the term for the retrogrouch who could outride you in his wool socks. I think a lot of the newbies in the last decade have confused "poser" with Fred. But I think it's safe to say the term for a cyclist who calls another rider a Fred is A-hole.
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in all seriousness though is the 'Fred' in the article Fred deLong?

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I've been riding for a long time and I never heard the term "Gibaffo."

I guess nobody wanted to hurt my feelings.
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