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Bought a used Giant TCR: was this a bad decision?

Old 09-27-08, 12:30 PM
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Bought a used Giant TCR: was this a bad decision?

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Just wanted to get some brutally honest opinions. In a moment of boredom and weakness, jumped on the opportunity to purchase a 5yr old (2003) Giant TCR Composite off of craigslist. We negotiated at an even $1000. I've never even straddled a bike this nice so I think the novelty of it all is blinding my judgment. I'm now seeing opinions off the web recommending that buyers avoid used CF bikes so I'm wondering if I should brace myself for disappointment. When he was showing me the bike he mentioned that he got it used off of someone else which means I'm the at least the third owner. The frame looks fine except for one prominent scratch along the head tube. Has anyone actually had a bad experience with a used carbon road bike? Am I destined to be screwed in the end? This is killing me. It seemed like such a good deal when I got it, but now I'm having second feelings.
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I bought a used CF bike, and I'm extremely happy with it. The paint started cracking at the lug intersections in the first month, but it's a known problem and not structural. I think my power dial might just go a bit higher than the last guy's
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If you're worried about the scratch, show it to an experienced bike mechanic. Otherwise, if you like the ride, enjoy it. That's what matters.
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Originally Posted by budha1300 View Post
Hey all,

Just wanted to get some brutally honest opinions. In a moment of boredom and weakness, jumped on the opportunity to purchase a 5yr old (2003) Giant TCR Composite off of craigslist. We negotiated at an even $1000. I've never even straddled a bike this nice so I think the novelty of it all is blinding my judgment. I'm now seeing opinions off the web recommending that buyers avoid used CF bikes so I'm wondering if I should brace myself for disappointment. When he was showing me the bike he mentioned that he got it used off of someone else which means I'm the at least the third owner. The frame looks fine except for one prominent scratch along the head tube. Has anyone actually had a bad experience with a used carbon road bike? Am I destined to be screwed in the end? This is killing me. It seemed like such a good deal when I got it, but now I'm having second feelings.
I bought a slightly used Giant OCR C3 in the spring (it had a 120 miles, but it looked like it hadn't even gone on a test ride). The frame was and still is flawless. I know there is no warranty on it, but I haven't for an instant worried about the carbon frame, and it is working out just fine. The only issue I have had is the right 105 shifter started acting up, but with some lubrication, it came right back to life.
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I appreciate your posts. It makes me feel a little better however the story gets worse. There's some play in the cogs and the cassette lock ring doesn't look centered in relation to the axle. Plus, if I back pedal, theres a thud in the same moment of each rotation. I'm hoping that this will all get remedied with a reseting of the cogs and a tightening of the lock ring but I don't have the tools to do this myself. I contacted the seller about this and he said he would fix it. Should I just turn down his offer and take it to a shop? I don't want to spend money on a mechanic if this guy is offering to do it for free especially if I already gave him 1 grand in my hard earned money....

Be honest, was it a dumb newbie mistake to get into this situation? If so, what's the best thing to do that will make me forget about all the cash I spent and love this bike?

Or, if I am somehow able to sell this off and make back most of my money, what would be a better use of funds for an aspiring racer/triathlete on a budget like myself.
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Originally Posted by budha1300 View Post
I appreciate your posts. It makes me feel a little better however the story gets worse. There's some play in the cogs and the cassette lock ring doesn't look centered in relation to the axle. Plus, if I back pedal, theres a thud in the same moment of each rotation. I'm hoping that this will all get remedied with a reseting of the cogs and a tightening of the lock ring but I don't have the tools to do this myself. I contacted the seller about this and he said he would fix it. Should I just turn down his offer and take it to a shop? I don't want to spend money on a mechanic if this guy is offering to do it for free especially if I already gave him 1 grand in my hard earned money....

Be honest, was it a dumb newbie mistake to get into this situation? If so, what's the best thing to do that will make me forget about all the cash I spent and love this bike?

Or, if I am somehow able to sell this off and make back most of my money, what would be a better use of funds for an aspiring racer/triathlete on a budget like myself.
I don't think you made a bad choice. The problems that you've pointed out here seem to be fixable mechanical issues.

I would recommend that if the scratch worries you, that you let an experienced mechanic have a look at it. However, if it's not that deep of a scratch, you are most likely okay.

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If you are a newbie, I would highly recommend finding a good, local, small shop mechanic this is the best investment you could ever make to your bike. If he is willing to fix is free of charge, go with it, but still FIND A good mechanic for anything else that might come up. It wouldn't be the worst idea to have a mechanic look it over before you start putting some major K's on it. Don't stress on the bad decision you "might" have made, and get out there and RIDE! That's what is important!
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Not to make you feel worse, but I sold a 2006 TCR C1 on Craigs for $1200.... Stupidest sale I ever made, like you I regretted it as soon as I sold it. I still miss that bike, but a little less since I picked up an 07 TCR advanced this summer.

Quote: Be honest, was it a dumb newbie mistake to get into this situation? If so, what's the best thing to do that will make me forget about all the cash I spent and love this bike?

There's nothing you can really do unless you want to relist it on Craig's and see if you can get your money, or something close to what you paid for it, back. Otherwise, get the bike repaired and enjoy the heck out of it.
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^^^^ I'm with him...what's done is done. I picked up my 06 TCR with 105 & Ultegra stuff on it for just under 1200. I probably could have shopped around, but I fell in love with the bike as soon as I test rode it, and that's all that matters to me. I did buy mine from my LBS so I have the satisfaction of going back and getting stuff done/fixed for me...something that doesn't come for free when buying from craigslist. I think that was about the the only selling point my LBS had for me, because I could have bought the same bike for a couple hundred bucks cheaper on ebay/Clist....then again this one had been in the store for 2 years, never even touched Hard to say how many miles/crashes are on a used bike and it's even harder to tell if the seller is being honest about it or not.

Bottom line...just like some of the rest of the posters said- If you like the bike and it's what you want, get it fixed and enjoy the heck out of it
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Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
I don't think you made a bad choice. The problems that you've pointed out here seem to be fixable mechanical issues.

I would recommend that if the scratch worries you, that you let an experienced mechanic have a look at it. However, if it's not that deep of a scratch, you are most likely okay.

Happy riding!

I noticed that you're in Brooklyn. I'm up in western Queens and work on the UES of Manhattan. Do you know a knowledgeable trustworthy mechanic in these areas who will take my case? What do you think of guys at Toga East? I'm leaning towards them because I know they serve a lot of triathletes but I've never gotten a repair from them.
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I noticed that you're in Brooklyn. I'm up in western Queens and work on the UES of Manhattan. Do you know a knowledgeable trustworthy mechanic in these areas who will take my case? What do you think of guys at Toga East? I'm leaning towards them because I know they serve a lot of triathletes but I've never gotten a repair from them.
I've never used Toga for anything but this one purchase I've made from them (which I regret). They don't have a return policy, and the trainer was no good...so there went $229. Not a big deal in the overall scheme of things, but keep that in mind.

There is one shop I visited somewhere near Flushing called "Robert's;" they were excellent in helping me, and seem to have a great place for business.

The shops I personally recommend for wrench work are Bay Ridge Bicycles here in Bay Ridge (approx. an hour or more away from you), and Metro Bikes in Manhattan (they fixed my bike well every time, though their customer service sucks).

Hope that helped!
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Originally Posted by budha1300 View Post
I appreciate your posts. It makes me feel a little better however the story gets worse. There's some play in the cogs and the cassette lock ring doesn't look centered in relation to the axle. Plus, if I back pedal, theres a thud in the same moment of each rotation. I'm hoping that this will all get remedied with a reseting of the cogs and a tightening of the lock ring but I don't have the tools to do this myself. I contacted the seller about this and he said he would fix it. Should I just turn down his offer and take it to a shop? I don't want to spend money on a mechanic if this guy is offering to do it for free especially if I already gave him 1 grand in my hard earned money....

Be honest, was it a dumb newbie mistake to get into this situation? If so, what's the best thing to do that will make me forget about all the cash I spent and love this bike?

Or, if I am somehow able to sell this off and make back most of my money, what would be a better use of funds for an aspiring racer/triathlete on a budget like myself.
You sound like a typical guy with some buyer's remorse. I've been there, done that, and got the t-shirt to prove it.

I do think if you take it to a shop, get some professional insight and find that the bike is not really in a bad condition, you'll feel happier.

Last resort, just relist it, buy a new one and move on. There is an old saying I have always liked:

I would rather there were 10 horses I WISH I had bought than the 1 that I wish I had NOT.

Good luck.
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Old 09-27-08, 06:33 PM
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Thanks for the tip on Toga. One more reason to resist all the shiny pretty things in their windows. I'll check out Robert's in Flushing.
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Thanks for the wise words. I rushed over to bikeforums after I telling my older sisters that i dropped a grand on a used bike and they just gave me that "you did what?" reaction. I guess you really have to be a cyclist to understand. I definitely plan to have a shop take a look at it before relisting. If it can get fixed up and I can dabble in a race or two or just smoke my coworkers on our next weekend ride, I'm sure I'll forget the money.
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what all came with the bike spec-wise and accessories?

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Originally Posted by budha1300 View Post
Thanks for the wise words. I rushed over to bikeforums after I telling my older sisters that i dropped a grand on a used bike and they just gave me that "you did what?" reaction. I guess you really have to be a cyclist to understand. I definitely plan to have a shop take a look at it before relisting. If it can get fixed up and I can dabble in a race or two or just smoke my coworkers on our next weekend ride, I'm sure I'll forget the money.
your going to need legs for that, not a plastic bike.
I don't even understand why you need to sell it? Because it clunks when the rear cassette is loose?
Fix your bike and ride it.
(P.S: i had a tiny amount of buyers remorse after finding out about Bianchi Via Norns for $900, at some point you gotta stop shopping and start riding, your never going to get the best deal ever)
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Bought a TCR C2 last year, also used and a 2004 model. It's perfectly fine. Obviously some might have bad experience but that can't be attributed solely to the bike being CF as opposed to some other material.
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seems like a lot of cash for that old of a model. however, i didnt see you list the specs. so tell us what you got, not just the frame, but the stuff attached to it. later.
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Good news, took it to a shop and got it checked out and the cassette tightened for free. Meanwhile, the seller contacted me by cell said he was around my neighborhood with his tools. The shop said the scrapes and scratches were mainly to the clear-coat and that it could be touched up for protective purposes. There was one deeper nick on the inside of the joint on the right chainstay, but the mechanic said that I should be ok filling it with clear-coat. Of course, he had to give me the lecture about buying used CF frames.

Honestly, I'd been holding back on buying a race worthy bike for years, but now I'm 24 and not getting any younger, so I gotta jump into it or I never will. So with this purchase I kind of suspended my best judgment just to get over the high fence I had set. If I can get couple of good races out of this, I think I'd be satisfied.

Kinda sucks though that the race season just ended here in NYC but I should be able to get in a few good group rides and definitely some crosstraining (prepping for the NYC marathon).

Here are the specs off the top of my head:

Frame/Fork: 2003 Giant TCR Composite /AERO fork (a bunch of scratches all over but mainly cosmetic except for the nick that I mentioned above)
Shifters/Drive/brakes: Full Dura-Ace (lots of cosmetic defects and kinda noisy rear derailleur but I think I can fix this)
Pedals: Look A5.1
Stem/Drops: Easton
Seatpost: Easton Carbon
Seat: No name (says "carbon" on it but I think this was some stock Giant add on)
Wheels: Easton (can't remember the model)

I'll update this with more details when I get home (goofing off at work right now).

Based on what you see, how much is the bike worth in your opinion?

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seems like a lot of cash for that old of a model. however, i didnt see you list the specs. so tell us what you got, not just the frame, but the stuff attached to it. later.
So here are the specs:

Frame: 2003 Giant TCR Composite
Fork: Giant Aero Composite
Headset: FSA
Stem: Newton Deda alloy/ti
handlebars: Easton EA70 alloy
brakes/shifters/drive: full Dura Ace
seatpost: Easton EC70 Carbon
Seat: not sure it says "carbon" on it and has a weird logo that looks like an 'F' in a circle.
Wheelset: Stock Easton Circuit
Tires:Front-Kenda, Rear-Avocet
Extras: brand new matching Avocet Tire, water bottle

Condition: Scratches all over. One fairly deep chip in the drive side seat stay (most likely from a chain slippage). Front crest fallen off. Could probably use a full tune-up. Rear wheel a bit lumpy in rotation which according to the shop was because of a worn out tire. Probably will swap it with the spare.

In your opinion, worth $1000?
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Originally Posted by budha1300 View Post
So here are the specs:

Frame: 2003 Giant TCR Composite
Fork: Giant Aero Composite
Headset: FSA
Stem: Newton Deda alloy/ti
handlebars: Easton EA70 alloy
brakes/shifters/drive: full Dura Ace
seatpost: Easton EC70 Carbon
Seat: not sure it says "carbon" on it and has a weird logo that looks like an 'F' in a circle.
Wheelset: Stock Easton Circuit
Tires:Front-Kenda, Rear-Avocet
Extras: brand new matching Avocet Tire, water bottle
You did fine.
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Craigslist NYC is the worst place to buy a bike. That said, it isn't a bad buy. It has Dura-Ace, and the Easton wheels probably aren't the originals as Easton didn't buy out Velomax until 2005 or 6, so maybe they are better wheels. This was probably around $2500 new. There's a lower end TCR Comp that has lesser components which wouldn't have been worth it.
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I don't think you made a fundamentally bad decision but I do think that you overpaid...
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IMHO you got a good, raceable bike for a reasonable price. If I was buying a bike to race this spring, and your bike was available for $1000, i'd buy it.
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