Pinarello Prince vs. Orbea Orca vs. Cervelo S3 vs. Parlee Z1
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I agree. Too much negativity around here. It can only be jealousy mate. I have not yet ridden the other bikes but I have an SLC Cervelo...its not as harsh as I thought it would be and if the seat stays ala R3 of the S3 does what they are supposed to do...you will be comfortable with that bike. Try the S3. Cervelos are known for their sheer aerodynamics and an out and out racer bike. Aesthetics is a personal thing....you can judge that aspect yourself.
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If it were me, I would go for either the Pinarello Prince or the Parlee Z1. I think the Cervelo is more of a hard core race bike and may not be as good a choice for non-competitive cyclist.
I know someone that owns a Prince and tells me that it is fast and rides very smooth. The Parlee can have custom geometry if you want it. Parlee have a reputation of being fast and comfortable. A couple of other bikes that you may also consider are Crumpton and Calfee, which would be similar to a Parlee.
I know someone that owns a Prince and tells me that it is fast and rides very smooth. The Parlee can have custom geometry if you want it. Parlee have a reputation of being fast and comfortable. A couple of other bikes that you may also consider are Crumpton and Calfee, which would be similar to a Parlee.
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If it were me, I would go for either the Pinarello Prince or the Parlee Z1. I think the Cervelo is more of a hard core race bike and may not be as good a choice for non-competitive cyclist.
I know someone that owns a Prince and tells me that it is fast and rides very smooth. The Parlee can have custom geometry if you want it. Parlee have a reputation of being fast and comfortable. A couple of other bikes that you may also consider are Crumpton and Calfee, which would be similar to a Parlee.
I know someone that owns a Prince and tells me that it is fast and rides very smooth. The Parlee can have custom geometry if you want it. Parlee have a reputation of being fast and comfortable. A couple of other bikes that you may also consider are Crumpton and Calfee, which would be similar to a Parlee.
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I would agree with many others here, in that if you are upgrading a madone, you might not want to choose a cervelo or orbea as you're going to get another stiff race frame. I would personally look into a custom bike, which from your options would be suitable with Parlee as you can specify your ride quality.
I would personally go with a custom steel/ti if you're going to upgrade an already awesome ride...but that is me and I have my own aesthetic
I would personally go with a custom steel/ti if you're going to upgrade an already awesome ride...but that is me and I have my own aesthetic
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So, again, you have a problem with how other people spend their money. Why?
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all premium frame choices. your madone is in the same category. you're looking for a jewel, not a tool. therefore, imo, given your stated intent for use and priorities, you should without question be looking at the Parlee. 100%. others shouldnt even be on your short list, long list, or any other list (not that they arent superb, they just arent what you seem to be looking for).
otherwise, you should be looking at other custom frame builders who work with carbon fiber like serotta, calfee, etc. Working with these custom builders gives you the option of communicating what you're looking for in a frame and having them fit and build it for you. buying a stock frame like cervelo, trek, orbea, pinarello, giant, whatever, doesnt give you these options.
good luck, research is a fun part of the bike buying process so long as you're well informed, then when you get the finished product, it's a reward. do some searching into custom builders, evaluate what you like about each, then start giving them calls to inquire about your dream bike.
otherwise, you should be looking at other custom frame builders who work with carbon fiber like serotta, calfee, etc. Working with these custom builders gives you the option of communicating what you're looking for in a frame and having them fit and build it for you. buying a stock frame like cervelo, trek, orbea, pinarello, giant, whatever, doesnt give you these options.
good luck, research is a fun part of the bike buying process so long as you're well informed, then when you get the finished product, it's a reward. do some searching into custom builders, evaluate what you like about each, then start giving them calls to inquire about your dream bike.
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all premium frame choices. your madone is in the same category. you're looking for a jewel, not a tool. therefore, imo, given your stated intent for use and priorities, you should without question be looking at the Parlee. 100%. others shouldnt even be on your short list, long list, or any other list (not that they arent superb, they just arent what you seem to be looking for).
otherwise, you should be looking at other custom frame builders who work with carbon fiber like serotta, calfee, etc. Working with these custom builders gives you the option of communicating what you're looking for in a frame and having them fit and build it for you. buying a stock frame like cervelo, trek, orbea, pinarello, giant, whatever, doesnt give you these options.
good luck, research is a fun part of the bike buying process so long as you're well informed, then when you get the finished product, it's a reward. do some searching into custom builders, evaluate what you like about each, then start giving them calls to inquire about your dream bike.
otherwise, you should be looking at other custom frame builders who work with carbon fiber like serotta, calfee, etc. Working with these custom builders gives you the option of communicating what you're looking for in a frame and having them fit and build it for you. buying a stock frame like cervelo, trek, orbea, pinarello, giant, whatever, doesnt give you these options.
good luck, research is a fun part of the bike buying process so long as you're well informed, then when you get the finished product, it's a reward. do some searching into custom builders, evaluate what you like about each, then start giving them calls to inquire about your dream bike.
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The Geneo? I disagree...full custom...Canadian...aero frame. The thing rides like a Ferarri. And you can usually get the frame for under $5000...unlike a Parlee Z1 which can be over $7000 for frame. The Parlee Z1 can easily become a over $10,000 build.
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Gurus are just fugly IMHO. If this is a more aesthetic purchase, they are off the list for me.
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your credibility as a judge of the aesthetic disappeared when you put on the sleeveless jersey and started entering transition zones.
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I am just not feeling the love.
The beautiful thing about cycling is that there are many good ways to enjoy it. Does everyone that buys one of those bikes race bicycles? Of course not. This is a wonderful time for bicycle technology. If I choose to take advantage of it, why the negativity on the part of some posters?
The beautiful thing about cycling is that there are many good ways to enjoy it. Does everyone that buys one of those bikes race bicycles? Of course not. This is a wonderful time for bicycle technology. If I choose to take advantage of it, why the negativity on the part of some posters?
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Likely because a couple of the bikes on the OP's list are ridiculously stiff. The good news is the posers that ride wannabee race bikes pay for it on every ride in terms of unnecessary harshness when they don't create enough power to flex a frame that is built for 1000 watts.
I don't understand the above post's reference to "posers". In the amateur golf world if one sees a golfer out on the course with Titleist of Mizuno golf clubs, one doesn't think there is a "poser". Golfers just look at that person as a "fellow golfer". Think about BMW M3's or M5's that one sees. Those cars are designed to go in excess of 200 mph. One doesn't think of those owners as a "poser".
Rather than belittling a legitimate post. Perhaps a better way to look at it is this. The more cycling enthusiasts there are, the better it is for all cyclists. It will gradually force changes on our transportation network. If someone buys one of the bikes in the original post that is good for all cyclists because it encourages cycling innovation and helps to reduce manufacturing unit costs. Great ideas on high end bicycles filter down to bicycles of all price ranges.
The S2 may have been stiff. According to Cervelo the S3 will have the seat stays similar to the R3. From their web site.
Vertically compliant – Seatstays as thin as on the R3, but rotated 90 degrees and reshaped for aerodynamics. Light, comfortable and aero, the best in aero road bike engineering.
Perfect balance – Aero, light, stiff and comfortable, the S3 works. Several companies make aero road bikes, but only the Cervélo aero road bikes were used extensively at the hilly Olympic road race, a testament to their balanced approach.
According to Competitive Cyclist the S3 has not shipped yet so one cannot know exactly what the new changes in the S3 really mean. However it is my understanding that the R3 has a comfortable ride.Perfect balance – Aero, light, stiff and comfortable, the S3 works. Several companies make aero road bikes, but only the Cervélo aero road bikes were used extensively at the hilly Olympic road race, a testament to their balanced approach.
Get a Grip Cycles in Chicago has a 2009 Orca. It is a small frame so it is not going to work for a test ride. Has anyone here done a test ride on the 2009 Orca?
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