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2003 Cervelo P3 - Fake?

Old 10-06-08, 01:25 PM
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2003 Cervelo P3 - Fake?

Hi all, I am hoping you can help me settle something. Yesterday I purchased a 2003 Cervelo P3 from someone who I honestly don't know very well, but had very high recommendations from other people I do know. He has a reputation of only using top quality gear and keeping the stuff in tip-top shape.

Well he brought the bike over yesterday and it was extra clean and is in good working order. I really didn't expect the Syntace C2 clipon aero bars, but that's ok. All Dura-Ace except for the Octalink Carbon Fiber cranks. Not a great wheelset, but that's OK, it's my first TT bike. I took it out for a ride and everything seems fine.

I got home and tinkered for a while, made some adjustments and greased some threads. In the back of my mind I was looking for a serial number on the frame... but never saw one. I also noticed that the Cervelo labels seemed a little funky, but then again I've never examined a P3 up close. It seemed close enough to the picture on the Cervelo discontinued products page... but now that one looks more gray than silver to me.



I wake up this morning and the first thing on my mind is "that frame is a knock-off". I think if I saw a serial number under the BB, I wouldn't even be typing this message right now. But alas, there isn't one and I have this sick feeling in my stomach. This guy is super nice, he loaned me some gear earlier this year when I broke something before a race (we live in a very remote part of the world that takes weeks to get stuff shipped to). I have no reason to doubt his integrity, but I know what I see on this frame and I need to get to the bottom of it. I have no doubt that I can get my check back, too.

I snapped a couple pics before I left for work this morning. Any insight from anyone? What's the definitive way to tell a genuine 2003 Cervelo P3 frame? As of right now, I am completely convinced that this frame is not the real deal. I really hope you all can convince me otherwise. I will post more pictures later today.

Does anyone have any pictures of their 2003 P3 that they could post? What were the 2003 P3 labels like? These just don't seem like high quality.







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Old 10-06-08, 01:30 PM
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It has the fittings for the rear brake plate, which is something that a knock off wouldn't have.
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do they even make knockoffs?
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That is most definitely a knock off! Send it to me and I will properly dispose of it. I'll even pay shipping
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Email Cervelo with the pics. They'll know, and if it is a fake I'm sure they would like to know about it.
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If that is a knock-off, someone sure spent a lot of time and money making it. Have you thought about checking the weight to see if it matches specs?
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^More than it would have cost to actually buy a real one I'm sure. I don't think people make knock-off frames. You would have to invest so much money in faking it that I doubt you could make money.
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Originally Posted by G. Ike View Post
That is most definitely a knock off! Send it to me and I will properly dispose of it. I'll even pay shipping
LOL, I guess you all are right. I feel pretty silly now. I am such a cynic! Jeez I really should think before I post. My luck the guy that sold it to me will read this thread.
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Old 10-06-08, 04:44 PM
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from your own post- you state that the bike is ultra clean, well maintained, full durace, bonus carbon crank, includes good clip-ons thrown in that you were not even expecting...


and your first thought is, "this guy is screwing me!"






you sir, are a tool.
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Old 10-06-08, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sleazy View Post
from your own post- you state that the bike is ultra clean, well maintained, full durace, bonus carbon crank, includes good clip-ons thrown in that you were not even expecting...

and your first thought is, "this guy is screwing me!"

you sir, are a tool.

LOL, I never said it was my first thought. It was on my mind when I woke up today, yes. I think if you could see how hokey the labels look up close, you might agree with me a little more. The missing serial number is what bugs me the most. But again, I've never seen one of these bikes up close. Maybe the hokey Cervelo labels weight .00000001 gram less than regular labels and I should be thankful how much faster that will make me..
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Plus my bike frame is definitely silver, while supposedly the only color it came in was a sky blue. I guess it could have been painted.
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The big question:
Everyone will see this thread.
How big is the guy you called a crook?
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Originally Posted by spry View Post
The big question:
Everyone will see this thread.
How big is the guy you called a crook?
And is he violent and likes to beat the crap out of people calling him a crook?
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That looks identical to my '03..only much cleaner. I think the Syntace bars were stock that year, as mine came with a pair also.



It'd be one thing to "fake" a generic round tube steel or aluminum frame. But did you really think anyone could or would go to the trouble of faking one of the most distinctive frames around? Come on now...
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brillant idea on how to make money.

i think i'll do the same and buy knock off frames off of ebay and put top of the line drivetrain/parts on them and i will make millions.





oh wait thats ~1.6k investment, and i gotta build them up. how will i ever corner the market? sale it for 2k?
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Originally Posted by spry View Post
The big question:
Everyone will see this thread.
How big is the guy you called a crook?
Probably close to the same height?

Quick! Someone get his inseam measurement!
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Originally Posted by KendallF View Post
That looks identical to my '03..only much cleaner. I think the Syntace bars were stock that year, as mine came with a pair also.

It'd be one thing to "fake" a generic round tube steel or aluminum frame. But did you really think anyone could or would go to the trouble of faking one of the most distinctive frames around? Come on now...
Thanks very much for posting your picture and thanks for everyone's replies.

I honestly did not think this guy was trying to rip me off. I thought that he might have been taken somewhere along the way.

I think it might be worth the trouble to copy a frame... if you're gonna copy one, might as well be a good one right? I couldn't be hard to get some decals either and pop them on. It's not a TOTALLY unreasonable thought... or am I just that paranoid????
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^Which bike are you planning on popping those decals on? A BD commuter? I think someone would notice.
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Well, you can't say it was never done.

https://forums.cervelo.com/forums/t/2171.aspx
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one thing to remember-

waaay back in 2003, Cervelo was not the sleek gazzilion dollar power house they are today.

they were a niche brand with no high profile tour sponsorship deals

and yes, they had hokey looking stickers and no serial number log.


just enjoy your bike.
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Originally Posted by sleazy View Post
one thing to remember-

waaay back in 2003, Cervelo was not the sleek gazzilion dollar power house they are today.

they were a niche brand with no high profile tour sponsorship deals

and yes, they had hokey looking stickers and no serial number log.


just enjoy your bike.

Ah, I did not know that, interesting. I am relatively new to cycling, so I certainly don't claim to be an expert. That's why I come here to you sage and POLITE professionals for advice. Thanks again to everyone for talking me off the ledge.
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Don't feel bad, it's reasonable to wonder what's going on when you spend big bucks for a bike, and don't see a serial number. Don't these bikes have SNs?
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I read somewhere earlier that the serial numbers were on labels, not engraved. Maybe Kendall F. can confirm on his bike?
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Originally Posted by Bodeco View Post
Hi all, I am hoping you can help me settle something. Yesterday I purchased a 2003 Cervelo P3 from someone who I honestly don't know very well, but had very high recommendations from other people I do know. He has a reputation of only using top quality gear and keeping the stuff in tip-top shape.

Well he brought the bike over yesterday and it was extra clean and is in good working order. I really didn't expect the Syntace C2 clipon aero bars, but that's ok. All Dura-Ace except for the Octalink Carbon Fiber cranks. Not a great wheelset, but that's OK, it's my first TT bike. I took it out for a ride and everything seems fine.

I got home and tinkered for a while, made some adjustments and greased some threads. In the back of my mind I was looking for a serial number on the frame... but never saw one. I also noticed that the Cervelo labels seemed a little funky, but then again I've never examined a P3 up close. It seemed close enough to the picture on the Cervelo discontinued products page... but now that one looks more gray than silver to me.



I wake up this morning and the first thing on my mind is "that frame is a knock-off". I think if I saw a serial number under the BB, I wouldn't even be typing this message right now. But alas, there isn't one and I have this sick feeling in my stomach. This guy is super nice, he loaned me some gear earlier this year when I broke something before a race (we live in a very remote part of the world that takes weeks to get stuff shipped to). I have no reason to doubt his integrity, but I know what I see on this frame and I need to get to the bottom of it. I have no doubt that I can get my check back, too.

I snapped a couple pics before I left for work this morning. Any insight from anyone? What's the definitive way to tell a genuine 2003 Cervelo P3 frame? As of right now, I am completely convinced that this frame is not the real deal. I really hope you all can convince me otherwise. I will post more pictures later today.

Does anyone have any pictures of their 2003 P3 that they could post? What were the 2003 P3 labels like? These just don't seem like high quality.







It's real; their 2003 offerings were very different than their current P3 paint schemes.
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Originally Posted by Bodeco View Post
I read somewhere earlier that the serial numbers were on labels, not engraved. Maybe Kendall F. can confirm on his bike?
Just checked my 05 P3 (Red and white version) doesn't have a serial number either.

Sounds like you got a great deal. Just ride the thing and stop being paranoid...
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