dgasmd

I got an email from Competitive Cyclist about new Campy stuff for 2009. It is a video. I thought I would listen to the spill and see what they had to say. It is pretty good and they do answer a lot of my questions about the new 2009 line. Check it out.

Link

ridethecliche

Love the ending...

"As I've become older and more fiscally conservative, I can see the appeal of moving to campy since it's designed to last so much longer than shimano."

Sorry bro, if you were fiscally conservative, I doubt you'd be spending so much for a group that won't make it any easier for you to win the city limits sprint.

dtadpole

Thanks for the vid link dgasmd! answered a ton of questions for me, especially in the differences between the groups. The new cult bearings on the Super Record had me drooling. Thanks again!

vic32amg

When at interbike I went to a Fulcrum/Record seminar. Super Record is really nice and the precision is just crazy. That being said, they really want us to pitch the , " this gets you the attention " this separates you from the dura ace and SRAM red. " basically saying it is the ultimate in elitism. which is true. but the price is just crazy. Yes it is still hand made in italy and yes it really is flashy. but when the chain tool cost MSRP 300 dollars then things are getting crazy. also no quick link. just craziness.

it's really the snob who they are targeting. pretty simple. i would not buy it even at cost.

furiousferret

Wow, pretty impressive. I'd love to at least try Super Record for a day, however I doubt that I will drop the cash for it. Right now it seems its a good year to buy 07's. I'd never be a first adopter when a product changes so drastically. 2nd gen is the way to go with groupsets.

shapeofthings

I would buy it at cost, but not the $3270 that competitive cyclist is charging!!!!
Unbelievable.

dgasmd

Let's be clear that I am not endorsing the people putting up the video or selling them. Much less the price. I just thought the video pointed out a few things and differences among the groups that I had not heard so far.

Campag4life

+1
Pretty interesting what CC has done. Taken Campy's powerpoints and created their own presentation to pitch Campy 11s extolling its many virtues which in no way offset the obscene price. No doubt it is a superior gruppo and a leap forward from 2008 but there ain't anything fiscally conservative about Record 11s nor will it amount to a hill of beans in the speed department. No doubt it will be a very comfortable and ergo friendly group.
Competitive Cyclist's prices have always been outrageous. Gotta love their approach to pitching the new 11s which they must feel they have to because they are so outrageously priced. No doubt CC's decision to have Andy pitch Record 11s as one upping Shimano 7900 is to justify the outrageous pricing and of course offset the greater historic demand for Shimano.
I personally will be trying Sram next because I think the ergos of their shifting beats both Shimano and Campy at their own game.

CastIron

The appeal of 11 speed became a lot thinner when I priced 9 speed Record wear items. I'm only hoping 10sp soon follows. And frankly, Campy engineers seem utterly clueless with available gear combinations (or lack thereof). Upgrades need to be useful, not just fancier.

rousseau

Okay, throw a sop to the uninitiated: is 9-speed componentry getting cheaper, generally speaking? That's what I run, and I'd be pleased as punch if I could upgrade from Centaur to Record across the board without blowing a punishing load of cash.

What are "wear items"? Items that are "less than new"?

GP

Fiscally conservative is 105.

AEO

the lever ergonomics are much better for all 09' stuff and not limited to just record.

I thought campy stated that the chorus and record line was now aimed at pro racers and that veloce and centaur were for the armatures who don't need the latest and greatest.

CastIron

Record wear items: Chain $19, Veloce 9sp cassette $28. These are the parts you keep buying to keep things moving. 10 Speed Veloce bits are around $30 and $40 respectively.

CastIron

Indeed. But I have two Campy bikes. Economies of scale play a part in the fleet. Besides, I preferred Campy until the '09 stuff came out.

kudude

"INA invented a program [that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, but those Germans sure are smart]...."

who "invents" a program.

BananaTugger

I'm going to horde Record 10 speed G-springs and carriers.

I love Campagnolo, but I don't like where they are going.

azdroptop

A couple of Super record on Ebay. 2400 and 2500 buy it now.

BananaTugger

Not bad.

Better than the $3200 USD that CC is asking for, but still a few hundred too high based on what Campagnolo said the price would be compared to current Record 10.

AEO

<$100 for veloce 10sp 08' shifters at pbk.
much cheaper than 105
well, at least I ordered a pair just now...

Campag4life

Pretty laughable. If INA or any of the top bearing suppliers don't understand bearing stresses through dynamic FEA...they aren't going to stay in business and compete.

Campag4life

I think anybody that says Campy is going backwards is in extreme denial. New Campy stuff is state of the art and a technical leap forward from '08 and earlier.
I ride '06 Chorus 10s.
The new levers are much less prone to wear and good reason to horde ergolever rebuild parts if sticking with Campy's earlier offerings.
It always comes down to bang for buck and what many have balked at historically with Campy. This is where Sram really shines...performance per dollar.

BananaTugger

I'm not in denial. I don't like the shape of the shifters, or how much they cost in comparison to the old stuff.

When the prices settle down to where Campagnolo said they would be, then I'll make the switch for the better. Until then, I think that the retailers are screwing with the prices to get the early adopters' cash, which is something I don't want to partake in.

carpediemracing 

I did a write up on the 11 speed, and yes, I went to the seminar. But the guys doing the seminar skipped over the front derailleur which I thought a bit odd. Shimano, with Wayne Stetina at their booth, was emphasizing front derailleur shifting. Honestly, how much faster can a rear derailleur shift, and how much more reliably? It's pretty good with the mechanical stuff now.

Front derailleurs are the key point though, and Shimano eliminated trim and dropped chains with the electronic shifting. Campy should focus on this (they did, sort of) and emphasize the improved performance.

The wear schedule is odd. 2000 miles for a chain (seems a bit short) gets you 10 chains per cassette. So 20,000 miles on a cassette (seems really high) based on having fresh chain all the time. Obviously you have to clean the chain, and obviously they don't recommend soaking the chain, just cleaning it on the bike.

However it's nice that parts are available - even to rebuild front and rear derailleurs.

Regarding gearing, they decided to skip the 29T and stay with a 12-27. Combined with a 34 that's pretty low, and lets them avoid making mid/long cage rear derailleurs. I think the 18T addition is a good thing.

Write up:
https://sprinterdellacasa.blogspot.co...-overview.html

However, after all that, I can't afford to upgrade 3-4-5 bikes + extra wheels with cassettes, chains, derailleurs, brifters, chainrings/cranks, cables and housing. So I'll be 10s for a while, probably for a few years.

cdr

SKYLAB

3200$ is what I paid for my Parlee frame/fork/headset. Campy is blingy, but this is moving into shameful territory.

Campag4life

If you are above Obama's tax cut off line you maybe able to afford it.
But why drop that amount of jing when Electric gruppos are around the corner?...that is where there will be definite performance jump.
Meantime, retrofit 2009 Centaur 10s levers on older 10s Campy bikes and call it good.